Floyd Mayweather has stated

"In the sport of boxing, you dont start off ordinary and at the age of 25 you become extraordinary". How true do you guys think this is? Is it a valid point? Or do you think he's just talking out his ass? I think it's a valid point, but yet he is talking out his ass coz he's talking about Manny Pacquiao who has been good through out his whole career and even got smarter/better as time went by with Freddy Roach. It can be a valid point maybe to some other boxers, but not Manny. Someone should give Floyd Bernard Hopkins' and Roberto Duran's phone numbers. Neither men became extraordinary until his mid 30s.

I don't think Mayweather really explained it properly. Manny got his ass outboxed and looked slow and old in the second Marquez fight. Than a few months later, after getting Alex Ariza, he is a completely different fighter and actually got stronger and more powerful for his current fights. Then, when he has the chance to fight in the biggest fight in history, he backs out because of a drug test. If his fans aren't smart enough to see all the red flags with Manny, than its really a waste of time trying to educate the lame.

The only one assuming here is you buddy. alright so i assume it would have never been brought up. but your conclusion does lead to assumptions, not facts.

I don't work off assumptions. I work off facts. Manny refused to do random blood testing up to 14 days before the fight. That's a fact. Manny turned down 40-50 million because of random steroid testing. That's a fact. These facts lead me to one conclusion. and your conclusion is assuming.. fact. if it was somebody else to step up to mayweather, random testing would have never been brought up.

Technique is learned through training. Steroids allow you to train longer, harder, faster. You are one of those rudimentary fools that thinks steroids do nothing but increase bulk. That could not be further from the truth. when he says extraordinary...he means a fighter that once showed FATIGUE and was hurt by guys like JMM who looked like a midget vs Floyd...a fighter that now just doesnt stop punching with power for 12 rounds while staying on his toes and takes Cotto punches like they were nothing. Hes not talking about tecnique, but about strenght, endurance, and recover ability....and all that stuff can be bettered while on PEDs everything can be bettered on PEDs...because you use them more for training, not for the day of the fight. If you take some designer steroids and epo, you can train more, work harder, eat more and gain strenght. Also you dont fatigue so you can concentrate more on speed and technique, because your training day can last even 8 hours a day. so you guys assuming he's on steroids?

You're right Pacquiao is the only fighter in the sport of boxing that can utilize both hands. No he's not, but how many one handed, stationary, one-dimensional fighters can beat HOF/ATG's? Give that same fighter good movement, boxing skills and another equally potent hand and then you can get something extraordinary.

73 home runs was unprecedented too. That's what made Bonds better than Maris and Ruth. The difference is you cant prove Pacquiao is dirty like bonds. hahaha... Go ahead prove it. "Oh he is just too good"... hahahaha

You're wrong. He was faster vs. Diaz than in the JMM fight, even faster vs. DLH and equal terms for Hatton. Pac only got faster in his movement department. He learned to move around the ring instead of plant and pound. Also (especially with DLH) he isn't planting to throw, he's boxing, so his shots are shorter, quicker but they didn't have the same pop. Tell you what, go find some scientific research that breaks down the speed of his punches using a frame by frame breakdown to prove your right. Until then your point is moot as it relies on opinion.

Technique is learned through training. Steroids allow you to train longer, harder, faster. You are one of those rudimentary fools that thinks steroids do nothing but increase bulk. That could not be further from the truth. thats what im talking about

How about using your eyes? You gonna try telling me that Manny wasn't faster vs. Oscar and Hatton than he was over the rest of his career? Yes he wasn't. He is not as fast now as he was vs Barrera.

So are you critiqquing his speed and stregnth or technique Cuz steroids doesnt help one of those everything can be bettered on PEDs...because you use them more for training, not for the day of the fight. If you take some designer steroids and epo, you can train more, work harder, eat more and gain strenght. Also you dont fatigue so you can concentrate more on speed and technique, because your training day can last even 8 hours a day.

You're wrong. He was faster vs. Diaz than in the JMM fight, even faster vs. DLH and equal terms for Hatton. might seem like it coz thats when he started to show he developed a right hand. but i really dont think he got faster. he might have carried the same speed, but not faster.

Gimme a fighter that's increased his speed and power while rising to his 7th weight division at 31 years old? I'll wait all day if you need me to. It is unprecedented that what makes Manny greater than Floyd.

Half talking out of his ass and half not, people do get better after 25... but its rare that when they do they also go up 3,4 weights and dont loss much speed but also gain so much power that it even over powers naturally heavier/bigger men. Aint Pacquiao great?

So are you critiqquing his speed and stregnth or technique Cuz steroids doesnt help one of those thats what im sayin

i dont know about increased speed but pacquiao have brought his power up to the weight he has always fought in, BUT im not talking about all that.. im talking about what mayweather's talking about; becoming an extraordinary fighter. if youre talking about steroids (which most likely you are), steroids does not make a fighter better. when he says extraordinary...he means a fighter that once showed FATIGUE and was hurt by guys like JMM who looked like a midget vs Floyd...a fighter that now just doesnt stop punching with power for 12 rounds while staying on his toes and takes Cotto punches like they were nothing. Hes not talking about tecnique, but about strenght, endurance, and recover ability....and all that stuff can be bettered while on PEDs

Floyd is correct. In boxing you don't start off ORDINARY and then become great after 25. Every boxing historian, you can go down the line of all the greats. NONE of them were ordinary guys when they started. NONE of them. They all were great or had raw talent that needed to be refined. Pacquiao wasn't good through out his whole career. He was ordinary and then became rediculous. Either Pacquiao was a diamond in the rough or Pacquiao does steroids. We will never find out now because Pacquiao doesn't want to fight if he has to take random blood tests. Don't be naive. There are a ton of guys who can use both hands. Going off the top of my head; ODLH. Left handed guy fighting orthodox. So are you critiqquing his speed and stregnth or technique Cuz steroids doesnt help one of those

How about using your eyes? You gonna try telling me that Manny wasn't faster vs. Oscar and Hatton than he was over the rest of his career? i really dont think so. if anything he was faster in the lower weights

"In the sport of boxing, you dont start off ordinary and at the age of 25 you become extraordinary". How true do you guys think this is? Is it a valid point? Or do you think he's just talking out his ass? I think it's a valid point, but yet he is talking out his ass coz he's talking about Manny Pacquiao who has been good through out his whole career and even got smarter/better as time went by with Freddy Roach. It can be a valid point maybe to some other boxers, but not Manny. Most boxers are protected too long until there habits are cemented and they wont improve.. .and thats why it might appear that way I know what he meant by it and if stated differently would hold more weight

I don't agree with that statement at all. He is basically saying Pac wasn't shit before he hit 25. He was a great fighter with a very limited skill set. He was primarily a brawler with a left hand. Roach worked with him and helped him develop his right hand and his defense. Combine that with a great gameplan for each of his fights and there you have Pac. They say what he is doing is extraordnary, but I don't see too many fighters willing to go up in weight. It seems Pac's mentality is to keep progressing until he reaches his limit. Nothing wrong with that.