Who is greater? Manny Pacquiao or JCC?

pac is good but I pick JCC.

My vote goes to the Mexicutioner. I love JCC but Pacquiao would make him scream like a girl inside the ring.

Pac>JCC :boxing:

Yes Chavez destroyed alot of taxi draiver, and Pacquiao Got koed By taxi drivers, lol, Chavez Will beat the real crap out of Paquiao, 36 years :bottle:old Marquez took Pac to school twice.:sombrero: And Chavez was KOed by a Bum late in his career.

Yes Chavez destroyed alot of taxi draiver, and Pacquiao Got koed By taxi drivers, lol, Chavez Will beat the real crap out of Paquiao, 36 years :bottle:old Marquez took Pac to school twice.:sombrero:

JCC by a hair. But Pacquiao isn't done yet. While JCC never tried to gain a weight advantage. He fought straight up. Pac fought at a catchweight ONCE. Hey, so did Chavez! And got a bulls*** draw out of it!

No, they're not based on facts dude. If I said "you're an idiot" would that be based on fact or would it be just an an opinion I'd formed? More than likely you're not an idiot, we just had a few crossed wires on here and I came to the conclusion you're not very bright. <--- This is an example, not what I actually think. I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. P4P lists = mythical. You can put them in any order you want. I don't agree with Bert Sugar's top 100 ATG list, it's really f*cked up in a lot of places, but I can't say "Bert, you suck, you know nothing about boxing" even though I disagree with it. It's just one man's opinion. If they're not based on facts, then why is Robinson the consensus GOAT? Why isn't Calzaghe? All opinions, ideas, everything you think is based on facts, or what you think is fact. Stop being a ****ing douche. Every single opinion you make is based on things to support and make that opinion. An opinion doesn't just jump into your brain without anything to carry the weight of it. You can and do say shit like "you suck" to people every single day on here for not agreeing with you. You slag off Mayweather supporters for their supposed biased opinions. Never once have I seen you say "that's cool man. It's all just opinion. None of it means anything" Sugar has his opinion base on having seen all of these fighters actually fight. That's his fact. He can say this guy was better than that guy because I watched them all fight for their whole careers. Jesus. Maybe you guys really are a bit thick. You can put them in whatever order you want but you would be wrong. Is someone right if they say "Yo, Micky Ward is the GOAT. Pac ****ing sucks and Mayweather has no skill!"? Sure, that's their opinion and it might be based off seeing Micky and thinking he really is the best. That would mean he has not seen Mayweather or Pac though. It is also a stupid opinion and is wrong. There are some facts in the universe you know? Do you think the sky is blue? Is that your opinion? Did Pac beat Cotto or is that just your opinion? No, it is all based on fact. That's what happened and it influenced your mind. While you make up your own mind, everything you think is based on what actually happens. Facts. Like the fact you think Pac is better because he is a 7 weight champion and just beat Cotto etc. That's why you think he is better. Facts. :nonono:

When it comes to coming up with an all time greatest list it comes down to both opinion and facts. The facts are how many titles won, won-lost record, level of competition, how many weight clases fought etc. The opinion what you give the most weight too. I personally look at alot of criteria in determining greatness and give different points for each achievement. I look at how many Hall of Fame fighters you beat and if they were in their prime? I also give some weight to how well you fought the best. So even if you had a few losses like Juan Laporte you still get points for going the distance with guys like Salvador Sanchez, Nelson, and Kostya Tszyu. I may rate someone like Camacho slightly higher than Trinidad because Camacho did fight in 7 weight classes with belts in each(a few minor) and in over 90 fights NEVER was knocked out. Even if Tito beat him it was in his 4th weight class as Camacho started as super feather. Camacho did lose to Chavez but he also beat Rosario, Ramirez, Pazienza, Haugen, Mancini etc. I wont count his wins over DUran or SRL as they were both passed their prime. In addition, Tito's first loss happened with BHOP. I dont think it was a major coincidence that Trinidad had to rewrap his gloves after Richardson thought they were excessively wrapped.

Pacquiao is a better fighter and has a better record

Pacman. JCC is great, no doubt, but Pac is doing things we simply have not seen.

Chavez: Ramirez, Camacho, Taylor Pacquiao: Cotto, Barrera, Morales I think its close(no not jus off those 3 wins)...Pacquiao's title wins in various weightclasses get him the nod I think... Chavez most impressive win was over Edwin Rosario for me. It's close but I'm leaning towards Pacquiao right now.

they are quite close in terms of legacy IMO... but what sets them apart is that JCC has dominated a single division for a longer period of time to be considered 1 of the best ever @ super lightweight... here is cliff rold's take... http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=18632 while MP has dominated 4 lineal champs in as many divisions & against some solid titlists, he has yet to dominate a single weight class for a longer period to be considered one of the best ever @ a certain weight... as for some head to head confro, wow... what a fight it would be... a tough, methodical iron chinned body puncher against an unorthodox & powerful speed demon... i wouldve favored JCC, but after what MP proved against cotto, his chances to win against JCC has boosted drastically IMO...

I rank Chavez higher all time. But, Pac is gaining on him quick.

Manny is greater hands down......plus he would've whooped his ass prime for prime!!......JCC is a LEGEND, no doubt......but Manny is past LEGENDARY status......he settin' up shop in the top 10 ATG's list......JCC aint no where near that!!

Pac is the best fighter since the 80's at least.

Pac is better.

No, they're not based on facts dude. If I said "you're an idiot" would that be based on fact or would it be just an an opinion I'd formed? More than likely you're not an idiot, we just had a few crossed wires on here and I came to the conclusion you're not very bright. <--- This is an example, not what I actually think. I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. P4P lists = mythical. You can put them in any order you want. I don't agree with Bert Sugar's top 100 ATG list, it's really f*cked up in a lot of places, but I can't say "Bert, you suck, you know nothing about boxing" even though I disagree with it. It's just one man's opinion. well i guess our wires were crossed, and i don't agree with you on the matter, but it was good conversing with ya on the subject.

and you would have been wrong to say that, just as greg haugen was wrong for saying that after he got ko'd by chavez. i said biased because you just threw your opinion out there without something to support it, thats all. no need to get mad. Here i found one for you: 08-06-2007, 07:32 PM #12 PacDbest Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,672 vCash: 1000 Re: Prime JC Chavez vs. Manny Pacquiao@130....who wins?? Quote: Originally Posted by stillafan pac too fast???...ughhh,,,,have you ever heard of a fighter by the name of Meldirck Taylor???... Taylor's speed dominating Chavez the whole fight. The difference between Pac & Taylor's speed are night & day. Taylor got speed but no Power. Taylor speed is in spurts, Pac Power & speed are relentless. Taylor got no Chin , Pac's recently was Iron-made. Plus, Chavez really has no special gifts. His Power & speed is nothing special. He's just over hyped by winning against 60+ cabby drivers. Against elite Chavez really doesn't dominate. We know how Pac dominates elite fighters. I pick Pac by TKO on cuts. I give Chavez's chin some credit.

Just google pacdbest esb chavez Pac & you'll find a lot of thread about it in esb. i'm not interested in how many threads you've posted on the subject. i stated what i felt and looked at both sides of the story and came to the proper conclusion, which was my first post on this thread.

opinions are'nt based from facts? mabe for you, i use facts to back up my opinions so i don't sound too biased, which lets me see both sides of issues. No, they're not based on facts dude. If I said "you're an idiot" would that be based on fact or would it be just an an opinion I'd formed? More than likely you're not an idiot, we just had a few crossed wires on here and I came to the conclusion you're not very bright. <--- This is an example, not what I actually think. I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. P4P lists = mythical. You can put them in any order you want. I don't agree with Bert Sugar's top 100 ATG list, it's really f*cked up in a lot of places, but I can't say "Bert, you suck, you know nothing about boxing" even though I disagree with it. It's just one man's opinion. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3