Should JMM be held to the same standards that Calzaghe is held to?

People are making good points in this thread. Like saying that Calzaghe was in his comfort zone at the time he beat Kessler and Lacy where weight class is concerned and JMM had to move up in weight to fight those guys. That's why it's kind of depressing to see these guys struggle so badly. Casamayor went life and death with a scrub in his last fight and that was his first fight since JMM KOd him.

Now I have a lot more respect for JMM than I do Calzaghe, and he is one of my favorite fighters. I also think his willingness to step up to the plate against fighters at the top of their game are way bigger than that of Joe. But he has reached a point in his career of where he is just fighting for money it seems like now by calling out Hatton which is understandable. The overall point of this thread though is to point out how his two marquee wins at 135 are starting to lose a lot of their luster. Diaz was never really that good to begin with as everybody saw when he lost to Campell. And then he goes on to gets beat tonight by a fighter who punches as soft as Ice La Fox's glossed lips. This is pretty much the same type of thing that Joe is getting bashed for with Kessler, Lacy, and to a certain degree RJJ. And after how impressive Bradley fought tonight (and even I can't stand the fact that he doesn't have power to go with his talent) I think people should demand a JMM-Bradley fight if they care about JMM going out like a great fighter before his career is over with. When Marquez beat them they were significant and that all that matters. Marquez was fighting at lightweight and they were the top guys in that division when he beat them same thing with calzaghe, kessler and lacy were good wins at the time he beat them at super middle. lacy and kessler were the guys to beat in cal weightclass at the time. the difference between jmm and cal in regards to their wins you compared is that Marquez was fighting these guys in his third and not best division. but i guess what you are trying to get at is that marquez needs a better signature win now that j.diaz and casamayor arent doing so great? a bradley win would be a great way for Marquez to cap off his career but i dont think he will effective enough at 140 to compete with bradley

Now I have a lot more respect for JMM than I do Calzaghe, and he is one of my favorite fighters. I also think his willingness to step up to the plate against fighters at the top of their game are way bigger than that of Joe. But he has reached a point in his career of where he is just fighting for money it seems like now by calling out Hatton which is understandable. The overall point of this thread though is to point out how his two marquee wins at 135 are starting to lose a lot of their luster. Diaz was never really that good to begin with as everybody saw when he lost to Campell. And then he goes on to gets beat tonight by a fighter who punches as soft as Ice La Fox's glossed lips. This is pretty much the same type of thing that Joe is getting bashed for with Kessler, Lacy, and to a certain degree RJJ. And after how impressive Bradley fought tonight (and even I can't stand the fact that he doesn't have power to go with his talent) I think people should demand a JMM-Bradley fight if they care about JMM going out like a great fighter before his career is over with. thats not true. Diaz hasn't put a lb on since moving up, at 135 he was generally the stronger man. At Lw he was very good. Marquez is also a FW.

Calzaghe was the first person to legitamately beat Bernard Hopkins in the 2000's. Calzaghe is a top 20 ATG.

Marquez has faced much tougher opposition than Calzaghe. I am not denying that. He's just never pulled through when it truely mattered. John, Pac, and Floyd are fighters who make up a sick res. The problem is he didn't get the big W in those fights no matter how controversial the Pac and John fights were. And John is one fighter that JMM fought that was a dangerous guy with little marketability over in the US.

Geez, talk about stretching just to make a bash thread. How can you question JMM's desire to face the best? he chased after pac to the lightweight division in order to fight him a third time. he ktfo casamayor the lineal lightweight champ, then ktfo diaz (and possibly ruined him). he moved up two more divisions to face mayweather. Marquez is coming off a loss so i dont see the problem with him fighting hatton in his first fight at jrww especially given the fact that he looked looked slow as hell at ww. Also, a victory over hatton would give him even more exposure and set the stage for another megafight like a third showdown with pac. But this fight hasnt even been signed, and hatton is the one who keeps mentioning marquez's name not the the other way around as you described. To me, the only time a fighter shows that they are willing to face the best is when they don't expect to get paid the rainbow when doing it. Paul Williams and yeah, even Timothy Bradley are examples of guys like that. Glen Johnson is another one. The type of fighters you mentioned that you said that JMM has the desire to fight are star fighters. When you just go after brand names, that's not fighting the best. That's why Pacquiao gets bashed from some people too. He never fought Bradley either even though I think he would beat him.

Geez, talk about stretching just to make a bash thread. How can you question JMM's desire to face the best? he chased after pac to the lightweight division in order to fight him a third time. he ktfo casamayor the lineal lightweight champ, then ktfo diaz (and possibly ruined him). he moved up two more divisions to face mayweather. Marquez is coming off a loss so i dont see the problem with him fighting hatton in his first fight at jrww especially given the fact that he looked looked slow as hell at ww. Also, a victory over hatton would give him even more exposure and set the stage for another megafight like a third showdown with pac. But this fight hasnt even been signed, and hatton is the one who keeps mentioning marquez's name not the the other way around as you described.

But Hatton and Khan are not elite fighters. Bradley is. Yeah but the difference is that I dont think he's one & done. Like he definatly wants to get paid but they are still pretty big names in the process. I still think that if he was to beat them then he would finish it by fighting a Bradley. Thats my point. He deserves to get paid though and its not like he's doing it by fighting bums or anything. Hatton was the real deal and alot of people think Khan is about to be

Yeah but thats not the problem with Calzaghe. The problem is he only fought the 2 old guys after that and thought he did something. JMM fought Floyd and now wants other big fights against elite guys. Thats the difference. JMM fought Floyd, would fight Pac again in a heartbeat, would fight Hatton or Khan, and so on But Hatton and Khan are not elite fighters. Bradley is.

Lacy and Kessler were too when Joe fought them. And I already made the point in my thread about JMM's body of work being better than Calzcockgaghe's. Yeah but thats not the problem with Calzaghe. The problem is he only fought the 2 old guys after that and thought he did something. JMM fought Floyd and now wants other big fights against elite guys. Thats the difference. JMM fought Floyd, would fight Pac again in a heartbeat, would fight Hatton or Khan, and so on

Williams won 7-5 and if you didn't See that then YOU ARE ****IN BLIND. Don't pay any attention to him. That fool is bringing up something that is totally off topic and ruining this thread.

Was/is Cotto top 10 P4P? Yes he is! Is Juanma is on his way? yes he is, now STFU Damn fool always trying to denigrate fighters How about we talk about martinez exposing Williams again and getting robbed? Williams won 7-5 and if you didn't See that then YOU ARE ****IN BLIND.

I disagree because I hold Paulie & Nate in much higher regard than you obviously do. Also, JMM has done a ton more than Calzaghe and both Diaz & Joel were the 2 best or 2 of the best at the time of the fight. Thats legit Lacy and Kessler were too when Joe fought them. And I already made the point in my thread about JMM's body of work being better than Calzcockgaghe's.

No its not as bad because Diaz moved up in weight to fight Malignaggi. But it wouldn't even be a discussion if he fought the #1 guy in Campbell at the time. GB made a gamble in thinking Paulie was finished and it came back to bite them bad.

Now I have a lot more respect for JMM than I do Calzaghe, and he is one of my favorite fighters. I also think his willingness to step up to the plate against fighters at the top of their game are way bigger than that of Joe. But he has reached a point in his career of where he is just fighting for money it seems like now by calling out Hatton which is understandable. The overall point of this thread though is to point out how his two marquee wins at 135 are starting to lose a lot of their luster. Diaz was never really that good to begin with as everybody saw when he lost to Campell. And then he goes on to gets beat tonight by a fighter who punches as soft as Ice La Fox's glossed lips. This is pretty much the same type of thing that Joe is getting bashed for with Kessler, Lacy, and to a certain degree RJJ. And after how impressive Bradley fought tonight (and even I can't stand the fact that he doesn't have power to go with his talent) I think people should demand a JMM-Bradley fight if they care about JMM going out like a great fighter before his career is over with. I disagree because I hold Paulie & Nate in much higher regard than you obviously do. Also, JMM has done a ton more than Calzaghe and both Diaz & Joel were the 2 best or 2 of the best at the time of the fight. Thats legit

Fukk Paul Williams and Fukk Shane Mosley, how about that for a thread? :lol1::lol1::lol1: I'm not going to lie, this made me laugh.

The Diaz Marquez fougt is a lot better tan this Diaz. Hell the Diaz from the last fight was a lot better. Marquez ruined him. I think there is some truth to that, but remember that Diaz was only on a one fight win streak against Katsidis after he lost to Campell. Katsidis has gotten better, so Diaz was definitely better when JMM fought him, but still beatable.

The Diaz Marquez fougt is a lot better tan this Diaz. Hell the Diaz from the last fight was a lot better. Marquez ruined him.

Was/is Cotto top 10 P4P? Yes he is! Is Juanma is on his way? yes he is, now STFU Damn fool always trying to denigrate fighters How about we talk about martinez exposing Williams again and getting robbed? Oh, you're mad at me because you think I'm trying to down play JMM and Calzaghe's careers. LMAO. You bring nothing to this thread but simple mindedness.

STFU, why always try and denigrate fighters instead of saying what they did good? Fukk Paul Williams and Fukk Shane Mosley, how about that for a thread? Dude, what the hell? This isn't even a thread to bash JMM, because like I said I'm a big fan of the guy. But even I admit that he is lacking a conclusive win over a great prime fighter. See, I'm a real fan of the sport unlike you who thinks Cotto and Juan Ma are future P4P stars without producing impressive results against A level fighters. And this thread is totally irrelevant about Mosley and Williams. So why you bringing those two up?