Would Cotto have beaten most welters on Saturday?

:thinking: i thought he lost the first round, but i did give him the fifth..... also, he lost 4 of the first 5 rounds, so how did he look "excellent?" the first KD was not a "balance" thing, it was an excellent counter-punch landed, and the fight should've been over, but the KD occured so close to the end of the round.....after round 5, it was a whitewash. cotto was closer to "losing" to the top WW, than beating them, on saturday. i don't know what fight you guys saw, but i saw a guy basically ineffective with power shots, i saw a guy getting hit over and over, and i saw a guy run for seven rounds, and still get hit..... I agree with your assessment!

Based on what? I got money saying Mosley looks old in his next fight, people got confused a year ago because Mosleys speed allowed him to beat a limited punching bag. Mosley looks his age against Berto and has a lot tougher fight than people are expecting. fighters mosley's age has that problem. 1 fight they'll look 25 again and then next fight they look old. look at hopkins against tarver and then calzaghe and then pavlik next fight. old guys run hot or cold.

yeah he looked great 1st half he fpought great 2 ...id take him over anyone except maybe shane or floyd

To me I think so, he was in great physical shape and had trained very hard clearly, I think he would have beaten most of the top guys that night even though he may be a bit diminished from his absolute peak a couple of years ago. probably... cotto is a very good WW, but an ATG top 10 like pac is too much for cotto

Theres no Welter Weight out there like Manny Pacquiao with speed, power and gatorade type energy. A combination of all that is what gave Cotto trouble. Most Welter Weights can't keep up that pace and for those that can they don't have Manny's Power. Cotto problem was that he actually fights to clean and that he didn't use the jab most of the time. Other fighters would be clinching with Pacquiao or tying him up and grabbing. Cotto does none of those things. and when Cotto went exchanging blows from a distance with Pacquiao he forgot manny has his same reach. But if it were Mosley he could hit Pacquiao while Pacquia couldn't reach him and that makes a world of a difference. Cotto best chance was use the jab and only counter pacquiao on small amount of occasions, because after he did Manny was still there to fire bombs, but Cotto had nothing more to give. And you can't do that you have to leave enough energy to protect yourself and use the strong jab.

i think he would. not mosley though.

Cotto was in game shape. Pac is just better than he is. Mang you don't think it was because Cotto's not the same anymore? that didn't look like the cotto that beat judah or mosley.Margarito took something out of Cotto imo Pre-Margarito Cotto, if he was not gun shy would've been Koed earlier. He needed to box Pacquiao. hell na, Cotto would of walked through Pac's best shots pre margarito.Pacquiao would have been the one of the floor.you had to kill cotto to take his 0 That wasn't the cotto that back in the day was glowing confidence and who defeated mosley/judah

Cotto should have fought Pacquiao the same way he fought Margarito. Easier said than done.

Cotto Pre Margarito would have never been gun shy and would have stomped Pacquiao imo. Pre-Margarito Cotto, if he was not gun shy would've been Koed earlier. He needed to box Pacquiao.

Cotto was in game shape. Pac is just better than he is.

all bullshit aside, Cotto would have whooped on any welterweight on Saturday...he looked in great shape unfortunately, he ran into an ATG...shit happens Great post, and I completely agree.

Cotto should have fought Pacquiao the same way he fought Margarito.

To me I think so, he was in great physical shape and had trained very hard clearly, I think he would have beaten most of the top guys that night even though he may be a bit diminished from his absolute peak a couple of years ago. Yes, including MAYWEATHER:boxing:

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I couldn't agree with you more. I too have followed Cotto for a long time, and I have not seen him regress as much as I have seen him fail to improve on his weaknesses. His jab was good before, now it is great. His body shots were really good before, and there is no indication that it is any less powerful, even if he doesn't go to the body as much in some of his fights. His conditioning was not a huge issue before because in many of his fights he was not pressured greatly. However, it is evident that if he is forced to work hard, he gets tired very easily, which is a huge problem for him. He needs better conditioning, a better right hand, and can improve his uppercuts, in essence a more complete arsenal. If he had those things last Saturday, I'm confident the outcome would have been different. I think he may have hit Pacquiao with one right hand... a shame. Anyway, the road to greatness for him needs to start with seriously working on his weaknesses. it does not matter how good his conditioning is.. if he bleeds out his nose like he did against margo and pac he will lose. I don't understand why people just ignore this fact! :banghead:

Cotto must go back to the basics that brought him to the level he is/was. He has totally regressed as a fighter, and I've been following him since day 1 in ESPN against Jason Deucet. Back then he was untouchable, his defense was pretty solid, he'd jab for no reason at all times, he'd crush the body and then go for the dome; he'd move laterally more; he'd bob and weave and slip punches like the best of them; but he has gone from that to a guy who is exhausted by round 6 or 7 when before he used to fight rounds 10-12 like a beast; no bobbing and weaving; just blocking with gloves and face; no slipping punches either; forgets about the jab; forgets about the body attack, I mean instead of improving he is diminishing. Get rid of Santiago and Landman, start from zero with certified professionals; stop being stingy and paid some cash if you want to get back to the top; otherwise PR will be crying pretty soon again and I am Puertorican, but Cotto has been on the slide lately. I couldn't agree with you more. I too have followed Cotto for a long time, and I have not seen him regress as much as I have seen him fail to improve on his weaknesses. His jab was good before, now it is great. His body shots were really good before, and there is no indication that it is any less powerful, even if he doesn't go to the body as much in some of his fights. His conditioning was not a huge issue before because in many of his fights he was not pressured greatly. However, it is evident that if he is forced to work hard, he gets tired very easily, which is a huge problem for him. He needs better conditioning, a better right hand, and can improve his uppercuts, in essence a more complete arsenal. If he had those things last Saturday, I'm confident the outcome would have been different. I think he may have hit Pacquiao with one right hand... a shame. Anyway, the road to greatness for him needs to start with seriously working on his weaknesses.

Cotto Pre Margarito would have never been gun shy and would have stomped Pacquiao imo. well at least it would have been truly what we all expected. 50/50 fight.

He was looking good on fight night, I might not have seen the Miguel of old, but even if the pre-margarito Cotto was there, I don't think it would have been enough to beat Pacquiao. It could have been more competitive, but probably not enough to win. Pac is great and rican's have been showing him respect. Cotto Pre Margarito would have never been gun shy and would have stomped Pacquiao imo.

I suggest you watch it again. The first knockdown was in round 3 and was in the middle of the round, he touched down with his gloves and wasn't hurt. Round 4 he was hurt, the knockdown happened at the end of the round and like you say, he may well have been in bigger trouble had it occured earlier. Looked like he was ready to go after the second KD lucky it happened at the end of the round.

:thinking: i thought he lost the first round, but i did give him the fifth..... also, he lost 4 of the first 5 rounds, so how did he look "excellent?" the first KD was not a "balance" thing, it was an excellent counter-punch landed, and the fight should've been over, but the KD occured so close to the end of the round.....after round 5, it was a whitewash. cotto was closer to "losing" to the top WW, than beating them, on saturday. i don't know what fight you guys saw, but i saw a guy basically ineffective with power shots, i saw a guy getting hit over and over, and i saw a guy run for seven rounds, and still get hit..... I suggest you watch it again. The first knockdown was in round 3 and was in the middle of the round, he touched down with his gloves and wasn't hurt. Round 4 he was hurt, the knockdown happened at the end of the round and like you say, he may well have been in bigger trouble had it occured earlier.