Bullshit removed, styles make fights and Floyd's style is the one to beat Pac

250116y ago

As a matter of fact, Floyd's style has been specifically crafted, molded to beat ANY style. Lets face it, Floyd doesn't give a FUKK about casual fans. He doesn't give a FUKK what is good for the sport. He's just trying to cash out as much as he can. To him, this is a business and thats it. "Legacy don't pay the bills". To avoid an "L" on his record, he'll take the least risks possible. He doesn't care how boring the win would be. He would have already suckered casual fans into buying the fight. The money is would already be there. Regardless, Cotto pretty much showed how you can be effective against Pacquiao besides just counterpunching. Its exactly what I've been saying prior to the fight. You have to jab and be first. Prior to the Cotto/Pacquiao fight, I asked you to ask yourselves, is Cotto a better technician than Marquez? Is he a better counterpuncher? Manny Cotto fans FOOLISHLY believed Cotto was an all around better fighter than Marquez. But obviously, you saw that he wasn't. Cotto was extremely fast, but didn't have the tools to put his attributes together. He didn't have the experience or ring intelligence to utilize his hand speed and timing. But you know who does. Floyd "I'm back for legacy, but then again Legacy don't pay the bills, especially if legacy is on steroids, unless legacy's name is Manny Pacquiao" Mayweather. Floyd has the speed to stick the jab, the intelligence to set up quick right hands and counter punching ability to make Pacquiao cautious. The only true way I can see Pacquiao winning this fight is by becoming very physical with Floyd. Finding a way to get on the inside and rough him up because lingering on the outside would make him a target for Floyd's right hand. Unlike Hatton, Pacquiao has quick enough hands to throw combinations from a close distance, but he would run risk of getting pot shotted. He just may have the beard to withstand it though. He also has the stamina and agility to keep throwing from angles. I think this is a fight were would would see floyd get hit the most and possibly be hurt. But, regardless, Floyd's style is just wrong for Pacquiao. But, then again, Pacquiao is not the same fighter in every fight. He just gets better. How can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd? As I alluded to in the content above, Floyd's fight plan consist of doing as much as possible defensively and doing just enough offensively to win a fight. Well, thats been the fight plan against dangerous opponents and Pacquiao is a dangerous opponent. The key for Floyd is to make Pacquiao as hesitant as possible and Floyd does that by countering his opponents and striking unexpectedly with a right lead. When Floyd is in "the zone", he'll lean forward face first with his hands down his side. This is when he knows he has his opponent scared to throw a punch, scared to be aggressive and he capitalizes with potshots scoring his points.Now, would Pacquiao fall victim to this? I believe he CAN. Why? We saw some of this in both Marquez fights. In the rounds Marquez clearly would dominate, he was able to because of his timing and counter punching. During these periods, Pac would just be bouncing and fainting, hesitant to throw, but when he did Marquez would read it a mile away and would counter or Marquez would take advantage of Pac's inactivity and strike first with combinations. This is how and when Floyd would be scoring. So back the question, how can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd? By doing what he did to break Marquez's rhythm. Get brave, come to terms with the fact that he WILL be tagged and begin his unpredictable barrage of punches. What Pac can do that DLH, Hatton and Marquez didn't do was throw more than 2-3 punches on a consistant basis. We saw DLH throw these wack ass body shots when Floyd was against the ropes. But DLH was smothering himself throwing arm punches. Hatton would just run at Floyd and either he or Floyd would start hugging. Marquez tried throwing, but he was just too slow swiping at empty air and he just became hesitant and limited his offensive output. Pac has to continue his offense, not allow himself to fall into that mental trap that Floyd can set. He needs to keep Floyd on the defensive all night. Shoot 2 punches from one angle, throw 3 more from another angle, dip and get out. Floyd cannot be completely defensive if it continues that way, he'll have to open up and become more offensive minded or he WILL lose because he is too defensive and not offensive enough to counter Pac's aggression. Make Mayweather work. If Pac is throwing 3-4 punch combos, Floyd is blocking 3 of them, but only comes back with a pot shot, Pac is going to score rounds because he's dictating it. If Floyd DOES open up, Pac's hands are fast enough to slip more punches in. But the key is not to linger long enough for Floyd to catch him. 1,2,3,4 and dip out and Floyd WILL tag him. If Pac can manage not being stunned, he will be very successful through out the fight, but... Can Floyd hurt/stunn Pac? "Cotto threw everything at Pac and didn't hurt him" True, but Cotto didn't land anything Pac didn't see coming. We all know its the shots you dont see coming that put the sandman to work. Marquez and Larios stunned him with shots Pac just didn't see. Floyd very well has the ability to create this kind of situation because of his counter punching and fast hands. Pacquiao just has to be prepared for this which is obviously is very hard to do. So to summarize, Pac must keep Floyd in a defensive state constantly through out the fight. He cannot win by being cautious and hesitant trying to pick his shots. That's Floyd's game and he's pretty damn good at it. The more defensive Floyd gets, the less offensive he becomes and Pacquiao needs to take advantage of that. Anyway, I'm not just talking out of my ass.. Cotto has trouble dealing with speed which will be the key factor in this fight. You already know what the game plan will be. Stick, stick, stick and move aside. Roach is too smart not to know what Cotto's weaknesses and vulnerabilities are. Cotto has no defense for punches coming straight into the middle and up in between the gloves. Cotto does NOT have the stamina needed to keep up with a darting high energy Manny Pacquiao. I honesly wouldnt be surprised if Pacquiao TKO's Cotto. Styles make fights and Pac's style is all wrong for Cotto. If the fight happens as planned, Cotto will get seriously hurt by Margarito. Margo is on a mission to get back to where he originally was. He has heavy fist and has to much pride to let himself lose again. Cotto will try to match him punch for punch just to test him out but thats where he will make the mistake of letting his guard down. Cotto is 5 x's the boxer that Margo is, but sometimes as they say, "styles make fights and these 2 are made for each other. 1. You are forgetting who Pacquiao was supposed to be going into the Diaz and DLH fight. One dimensional. Only weapon being the left hand. Not ring smart. Those are phrases thrown around when describing Pac going into those fights. Sure, Diaz was a complete push over for Pac, but at the same time, he dominated Diaz in a manner that WAS NOT expected. He bobbed, he weaved, he picked his spots and dominated with combination punching. For someone being "one dimensional", he sure utilized BOTH hands AND improved his defense. I mean, seriously, who thought Manny would be UNTOUCHED as he was through out the whole fight? The same shit applies to DLH. It doesnt matter if he was supposedly weight drained or whatever. Manny's skillset was supposed to allow DLH to go to work, not his physical ability. Manny OUTBOXED DLH. Normally, when someone is "weight drained", they don't get outboxed, they get physically dominated. Manny did physically dominate DLH, but by BOXING from the outside. That wasn't supposed to happen. 2. Manny keeps improving each fight for a "one dimensional" fighter where as Hatton hasn't shown much improvement at all Mayweather exposed one of Hatton's major defensive Flaws. He's prone to quick shots, especially quick lefts. After he got knocked out by Mayweather, he fought an old, washed up, RETIRED Lascano. Lascano tagged his ass with a left many times and was on the verge of a KO if only Lascano was capable of finishing the job. What did this show? That Hatton truly hasn't improved on his defense. Manny was supposed to do to Juan Lascano what Pacquiao did to Diaz and DLH. He didn't. He almost got KO'd. Moving on to the Malignaggi fight, Hatton did show some OFFENSIVE improvement, but where was the DEFENSIVE improvement? If you watch the fight, Paulie landed lefts when Hatton would come in for the attack, but we're talking Eggshell hands Malignaggi over here. Hatton wasn't about to be hurt by the lack of power Malignaggi contained. Pacquiao is faster than Malignaggi, more powerful than Malignaggi. Hatton does his best work on the inside. When have we EVER seen Pacquiao allow ANYONE to work inside? Do we really think Pacquiao will be stationary through out the fight inviting Hatton to his body? Lets seriously think about it. Who's faster to the draw? What's REALLY gonna stop PAcquiao from attacking from the outside and moving out the way? Hatton's "jab"? Or is it Hatton face? From their recents previous fights, this is what can be seen: Hatton has yet to improve on his defense though his offense has gotten a little tighter Pacquioa has improved his versatility both offensively and defensive;y. Just because Floyd chose Hatton doesn't mean Hatton is some beast that only Floyd can tame. Hatton is no JMM and Pacquiao is a whole different animal.

Comments (20)

letsgobrady

floyd style is kryptonite for a fighter like pacquiao.barrera,marquez,morales and pacquiao will always have problems would a style like floyd because all of them are fighter at heart so they always at some point what to fight thats why marquez looked so bad against floyd and the reason morrales looked so bad against rahim

16y ago

Sugarr

I agree with this. I had Marquez beating Pacquiao in both fights and Marquez is a great boxer. But Mayweather is an even better boxer than Marquez, IMO.

16y ago

talip_bin_osman

thats why i would give more credit to MP if he wins... he has the more difficult task than PBF...

16y ago

Doctor_Tenma4618

Lots of people are gonna feel stupid on March.

16y ago

pbftxrs316

here's the thing you all need to realize about floyd---he is a very methodical fighter--so th eway he's been fighing these last 3 years is no shock tom---if he has slowed down to potshots because his speed has diminished at 147 and when he fught at 154, him fighting the way he has been fighting lately is nothing more than him fighting methocally intelligent and adds to his brilliant mindset---pac is in for a long night--floyd is a thinking fighter--meaning he always thinks--has a 6th sense and reads his opponents very well--everything they do--no matter who the opponent is---floyd's best trait is his mindset and his eyes come 2nd---you'll see foks---floyd has dominated his fights even at ww, potshotting and being defensive--landing more punches than his opponents even when throwing much less than them---why? because he is a methodical fighter and has always been---just look at how he trains copmared to everybody else---different padwork--different jumprope routine---the way he shadoboxes--making sure every punch is sharp just about and his movement from left to right--not just one way--throwing his oppoenents off---this is the reason why he is the best of the best because he is a thinking fighter with so many physically athletic gifts---again, pac is something special--he has many weapons--but when he meets floyd in the ring--he will be stopped within 8 rounds and totally dominated--you can take this to the bank---

16y ago

dans

So to summarize, Pac must keep Floyd in a defensive state constantly through out the fight. He cannot win by being cautious and hesitant trying to pick his shots. That's Floyd's game and he's pretty damn good at it. The more defensive Floyd gets, the less offensive he becomes and Pacquiao needs to take advantage of that. Anyway, I'm not just talking out of my ass.. Great post. I'm glad to see there are others like me out there. Even though I don't like Floyd, I'm picking him to win. Some people get blinded by their preference. It's happened to me, so I know. A thinking man knows Floyd is the favorite and Pac will need to fight the perfect fight.

16y ago

2501

Added another portion to the original post.. How can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd? As I alluded to in the content above, Floyd's fight plan consist of doing as much as possible defensively and doing just enough offensively to win a fight. Well, thats been the fight plan against dangerous opponents and Pacquiao is a dangerous opponent. The key for Floyd is to make Pacquiao as hesitant as possible and Floyd does that by countering his opponents and striking unexpectedly with a right lead. When Floyd is in "the zone", he'll lean forward face first with his hands down his side. This is when he knows he has his opponent scared to throw a punch, scared to be aggressive and he capitalizes with potshots scoring his points.Now, would Pacquiao fall victim to this? I believe he CAN. Why? We saw some of this in both Marquez fights. In the rounds Marquez clearly would dominate, he was able to because of his timing and counter punching. During these periods, Pac would just be bouncing and fainting, hesitant to throw, but when he did Marquez would read it a mile away and would counter or Marquez would take advantage of Pac's inactivity and strike first with combinations. This is how and when Floyd would be scoring. So back the question, how can Pacquiao be effective against Floyd? By doing what he did to break Marquez's rhythm. Get brave, come to terms with the fact that he WILL be tagged and begin his unpredictable barrage of punches. What Pac can do that DLH, Hatton and Marquez didn't do was throw more than 2-3 punches on a consistant basis. We saw DLH throw these wack ass body shots when Floyd was against the ropes. But DLH was smothering himself throwing arm punches. Hatton would just run at Floyd and either he or Floyd would start hugging. Marquez tried throwing, but he was just too slow swiping at empty air and he just became hesitant and limited his offensive output. Pac has to continue his offense, not allow himself to fall into that mental trap that Floyd can set. He needs to keep Floyd on the defensive all night. Shoot 2 punches from one angle, throw 3 more from another angle, dip and get out. Floyd cannot be completely defensive if it continues that way, he'll have to open up and become more offensive minded or he WILL lose because he is too defensive and not offensive enough to counter Pac's aggression. Make Mayweather work. If Pac is throwing 3-4 punch combos, Floyd is blocking 3 of them, but only comes back with a pot shot, Pac is going to score rounds because he's dictating it. If Floyd DOES open up, Pac's hands are fast enough to slip more punches in. But the key is not to linger long enough for Floyd to catch him. 1,2,3,4 and dip out and Floyd WILL tag him. If Pac can manage not being stunned, he will be very successful through out the fight, but... Can Floyd hurt/stunn Pac? "Cotto threw everything at Pac and didn't hurt him" True, but Cotto didn't land anything Pac didn't see coming. We all know its the shots you dont see coming that put the sandman to work. Marquez and Larios stunned him with shots Pac just didn't see. Floyd very well has the ability to create this kind of situation because of his counter punching and fast hands. Pacquiao just has to be prepared for this which is obviously is very hard to do. So to summarize, Pac must keep Floyd in a defensive state constantly through out the fight. He cannot win by being cautious and hesitant trying to pick his shots. That's Floyd's game and he's pretty damn good at it. The more defensive Floyd gets, the less offensive he becomes and Pacquiao needs to take advantage of that.

16y ago

Pecs

Mayweather will be the most skillful opponent for Manny IF they ever fight. I will be rooting for Manny, but I know it will be a tough fight.

16y ago

w2nhbky2j

My Opinion if Pacquiao vs. Mayweather does indeed Happen. I hear a lot of you guys say that Pacquiao got outboxed by Morales and Marquez. You guys are forgetting that the Pacquiao that faced both isn't the same Pacquiao today. Pacquiao barely used his footwork in the past. He didn't have as much upper body movement as today. He also didn't have his right hand at that time. He started to use and improved it starting in the Diaz fight. You guys are also forgetting that you need speed to beat Mayweather and we know Pacquiao will be his fastest opponent; don't even say that Judah has the same speed as Pacquiao; look what Cotto did to Judah, neutralized his speed with his timing. Look what Cotto said after his fight with Pacquiao, he couldn't see where the punches were coming from because of the speed and the weird angles. You need to be aggressive to beat Mayweather. I heard people say, oh! Mayweather schooled Marquez, so he's gonna do the same thing to Pacquiao. (I won't even put the 17 pounds heavier BS because I don't think it really mattered in that fight anyway because Mayweather just simply outboxed him, he didn't impose his size on Marquez.) There's no way in hell Mayweather schools Pacquiao the way he did Marquez. Marquez is not even an aggressive fighter to begin with and he's way slower compared to Pacquiao. Marquez is a boxer and when you put 2 boxer inside the ring, one of them is supposed to school the other one. (I even had Barrera winning against Marquez in their fight if not for the referee making the stupid mistake of calling it a slip instead of a knockdown for Barrera.) IMO, a washed up Barrera even outboxed Marquez in their fight and in a lot of people's opinion, NO ONE CAN OUTBOX FLOYD MAYWEATHER!! NO ONE!! There's no way in hell he KO's Pacquiao though. Pacquiao took Cotto's hardest punches and just walked through them like nothing. In Mayweather's fight with Judah, Judah won the first four rounds of the fight, heck he even dropped him, and we know Judah don't even have the stamina to compete after the first half of the fight. Heck even Hatton won some rounds with his stupid game plan against Mayweather. Mayweather, he is a million times better than Marquez when it comes to defense and counter punching and speed. He wont be dangerous for Pacquiao because he just pot shots and we know Mayweather doesn't hit harder than Cotto. But he is pretty challenging when it comes to winning a fight. He will be the slickest and most accurate opponent Pacquiao has and will ever face. The Ultimate Offensive fighter vs. The Ultimate Defensive fighter I don't know who's gonna win but there's only 3 scenarios I can see happening in this fight. 1) Mayweather wins by decision (Close decision). 2) Pacquiao wins by decision (Close Decision). 3) Pacquiao wins by KO/TKO. If the fight does end on a decision, I favor Mayweather more to win. If the fight ends with a KO/TKO, I favor Pacquiao to win since he throws a lot of punches, fast flurries, and hits like a brick. I just can't see Mayweather knocking Pacquiao out. :fing02:

16y ago

Main_Event

How the hell do you know what Floyd plans to do? Did you expect Cotto to be cowering in the corner with a face like a football when he tasted MP's power? Or Oscar? Or Hatton to be almost killed within 6 minutes? This is boxing man, a single punch can change everything. Cotto has never had good D you should know that...I didnt expect it to be the beatdown that it was but i did expect Manny too hit him enough to win the fight.....You know Oscar was finished stop....And Hatton is just target practice and literally runs into punches.. I know 1 shot can change everything but it seems like every fighter says that until they actually get in the ring with Floyd

16y ago

S_A_M_U_R_A_I

Oh ill never count out Manny i have nothing but respect for the man especially after that show he put on Saturday..But Manny has never seen a fighter like Floyd either....This will be the toughest challenge either has faced i just think Floyd has too many advantages that will lead to his victory.. Cool, fair enough. There really are a lot of people acting like it's a foregone conclusion that Floyd "schools" Pacquiao, though. I get annoyed because most of the time these guys are rubbish at predicting fights, their bets are often completely wrong, they are not able to analyze style matchups well enough and they forget or don't see small details that are actually more important than they realize. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

16y ago

S_A_M_U_R_A_I

Floyd is not going to run from Manny like people seem to think...Floyd is going to land and counter Manny and he will have plenty of counter opportunities because Manny throws so much and is wild with his punches...Floyds counter is going to be the difference in this fight How the hell do you know what Floyd plans to do? Did you expect Cotto to be cowering in the corner with a face like a football when he tasted MP's power? Or Oscar? Or Hatton to be almost killed within 6 minutes? This is boxing man, a single punch can change everything. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

16y ago

Main_Event

Manny won't get tagged with the same shots as Marquez was tagged with either. He is much more mobile, much faster, hits way harder, and takes a much better shot. Forget any bets, at least until the fight gets made. I'ma sit back and let you guys throw e-points around instead. All I am saying is don't count Pacquiao out, Mayweather has never seen anything like him, and a lot of people here act like this fight is a foregone conclusion. Both these guys have a chance to beat the other, everything depends on how safe Mayweather plays it. Once again, it's very possible he potshots to a boring UD or SD. Oh ill never count out Manny i have nothing but respect for the man especially after that show he put on Saturday..But Manny has never seen a fighter like Floyd either....This will be the toughest challenge either has faced i just think Floyd has too many advantages that will lead to his victory..

16y ago

Danny_Gunz

You guys are under estimating the genius of freddie roach... Im not sayin pac will win but i think he has a better chance then made out by most people

16y ago

Swizzy

actually both their styles are made for each other. but pac's lack of height and reach will cancel out the effectiveness of his aggressive/quick/active style. pac would need to get in range before he could land on mayweather and mayweather won't let pac get in range for free. pac will have to go through pbf's jab or hook to get to him so pac would get countered all night and probably get knocked down a couple times too. this fight would be an easy decision win for mayweather.

16y ago

S_A_M_U_R_A_I

If he wants to sit there and box with Floyd then hes going to be in for a very long night...Floyd wont get tagged with the same shots the Miguel was tagged with...I believe we had a bet a long time ago as well for this fight Manny won't get tagged with the same shots as Marquez was tagged with either. He is much more mobile, much faster, hits way harder, and takes a much better shot. Forget any bets, at least until the fight gets made. I'ma sit back and let you guys throw e-points around instead. All I am saying is don't count Pacquiao out, Mayweather has never seen anything like him, and a lot of people here act like this fight is a foregone conclusion. Both these guys have a chance to beat the other, everything depends on how safe Mayweather plays it. Once again, it's very possible he potshots to a boring UD or SD. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

16y ago

Main_Event

Mayweather needs to come in to try his pot shots. He can't run all night and expect to win the fight. He needs to try and land something. And that's all that Pacquiao needs. Floyd is not going to run from Manny like people seem to think...Floyd is going to land and counter Manny and he will have plenty of counter opportunities because Manny throws so much and is wild with his punches...Floyds counter is going to be the difference in this fight

16y ago

lacson

It's entirely possible it's not as good as people make out. Otherwise, why adopt a running/pot-shotting style? The opposite is Manny. He gets tagged pretty often, but that's OK because he shows no emotional response to pain. We were talking to Shawn Porter earlier. He said Manny is weird, he's never seen nothing like it because you can never tell what he's feeling. Is he hurt? Is he happy? Is he tired? Shawn says you simply cannot prepare for Pacquiao until you're in the ring with him. Mayweather has been rocked by what seems like mediocre shots by Judah and Hatton. And he's scared to get hit. I expect him to run and he won't care what everyone thinks.

16y ago

lacson

If he wants to sit there and box with Floyd then hes going to be in for a very long night...Floyd wont get tagged with the same shots the Miguel was tagged with...I believe we had a bet a long time ago as well for this fight Mayweather needs to come in to try his pot shots. He can't run all night and expect to win the fight. He needs to try and land something. And that's all that Pacquiao needs.

16y ago

softwaretrial09

He can always bring out his newspaper and ask Roach to prepare him coffee. :rofl: Gayweather HAS to engage.

16y ago