Seriously, how is floyd going to deal with pac's workrate, speed, and punches from everywhere. People here keep saying floyd will pot shot him to death, but he's only done that with conventional punchers that throw your ordinary jab, straight, hook, etc. Manny throws some lazer beams from 123 degree angles and shit. Many people say pac hasnt fought a fighter like floyd. No, floyd hasnt fought a fighter like pac.
Why all the pac bashing on these boards? Is this an anti pac board, if so yall lame.
After 6 years Pac didn't have the unpredictability or confidence he once had.
Wait till another fighter damages him with a brutal KO, then you have a gunshy fighter unwilling to throw caution to the wind.
He came back to defeat an undefeated prospect in Algieri, a monster in Rios, and a Martian.
In all seriousness, both fighters were past their prime but the result was always going to be the same. Throughout his career, Pacquiao's workrate has diminished against movers and counter punchers. His words pretty much prove that point: him saying he would have thrown more punches if Mayweather stood still.
By Freddie Roach's own words, Mayweather would have won the fight 5 years ago. They felt more confident because they thought he could no longer move. They thought wrong and got picked apart in front of millions of paying customers and fans.
By cutting the workrate in half.
After 6 years, Pacquiao couldn't deal with the jab, lead right and left hook.
After 6 years Pac didn't have the unpredictability or confidence he once had.
Wait till another fighter damages him with a brutal KO, then you have a gunshy fighter unwilling to throw caution to the wind.
By cutting the workrate in half.
He will deal with it by avoiding the fight. If it happens, Floyd has 3 punches: the lead right, left hook, and jab. Roach will have a plan worked out for whatever Money can present and Manny's workrate and pressure will have Floyd troubled all night. It would be a matter of time until he gets rocked and then Pac puts an end to the legacy for good.......Floyd then retires.
After 6 years, Pacquiao couldn't deal with the jab, lead right and left hook.
Thats just not relevant as is saying no way Manny can do too JMM what Floyd did , they both win in there own way , its when their ways collide we will see what happens , Mannys performance was one of the best I have seen in 45 yrs watching boxing , great great win ,,, but I think Floyd will UD him with brilliant counter boxing and tactics , but by the same token Manny is great and could also tag him and change the whole fight ,,, two great fighters in the same era that need to fight .
Look, if you watched boxing for 45 years how can you back up what Floyd does. Mayweather is so anti- old school it's not even worth mentioning. But you Mr. Fake 56 year Old boxing fan takes a liking to PBF just screams out BULLSHIT. These forums are full of desperate people putting up 2 to 3 fake profiles and posting irrelevant nonsense. I used to like coming on here to talk boxing with people but that's not what most people do on here.
Manny would put Marquez in the hospital if they met today. So don't lecture me about what Floyd does and what Pacquiao does. I have eyes of my own and I see that Floyd wants an easy payday before he retires. He needs to earn it by fighting a real Welterweight. Floyd fighting Pac right now would mean he would be forced to retire by way of an ass whipping. So the little games he is playing to cash in on this fight is pure unadulterated BULLSHIT. He doesn't deserve to fight Manny because the true boxing fans already know the outcome. Run pretty boy run, get caught with a big punch against Pac fall get up run some more before he quits on his stool or gets KTFO. Nope Floyd doesn't have me fooled for one minute. Does he have you fooled Mr. Barker (or what other alias name you might have)
All it took from Marquez was counter punching to deal with Pac's "Relentless Workrate"...:eek::wtf:
I swear some of you guys don't look at styles.....Pac's relentless workrate will turn into him wasting energy and not landing effective punches.
Marquez was a counterpuncher in that fight, but he stood his ground, he didn't back up from Manny, he had a good work rate versus Manny and went on the offensive many times.
Floyd will not do that, if Floyd fought defensive versus Marquez and didn't go on the offensive, he will not do that with Manny.
Manny will beat him on points because he will be the more active fighter and Floyd will just potshot one punch at the time and run.
Manny's speed and southpaw stance will make him land, bet on that.
He will deal with it by avoiding the fight. If it happens, Floyd has 3 punches: the lead right, left hook, and jab. Roach will have a plan worked out for whatever Money can present and Manny's workrate and pressure will have Floyd troubled all night. It would be a matter of time until he gets rocked and then Pac puts an end to the legacy for good.......Floyd then retires.
So you dont think Mayweather who is a more accurate puncher than Manny and is better defensively can not employ the same tactics Manny did? Moving in and out, using the high guard to block Cottos punches (like Clottey did), putting in body work & counter punch.....
NAW theres no possible way Floyd Mayweather jr could do that:wtf:
There is no way Mayweather could do that to Cotto. Absolutely no way. We haven't seen him do this in his recent past and definitely not in the welterweight division. You are hoping Mayweather can do these things to Cotto there is no fact to back up your claim.
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this is the Matrix now?...tell me why JMM could counter Manny so easily then einstein:thinkerg:
lol, i know i did get a little carried away, but im saying the manny pacquiao that jmm is definitely not the manny of today. The old manny only had the in and out move( easy to time) and left staight. The manny of today has lateral and side to side movement with non stop head movement. Include punches from different angles that can knock you out and your in for the fight of your life. Before the hatton, and cotto fight i figured floyd would just time the in and out move manny used to emply. Now it's a whole different story. You dont know where he's coming from. It's not only his movement, but it's also the angle from where the punches are coming from. I'm tellin you guys that are so confident that floyd will do use the high guard and pot shot in and out. Manny will get him with one of those flurries, and it will hurt floyd for sure. I guaruntee at that moment manny will start diggin to the body while he has him blocking up top.
The PAC now will KILL Marquez more easier the Ricky Hatton. Floyd won a UD againts the undersized, slower and bloated Marquez. Floyd can't do what marquez did before coz he will be fighting a Very Much Improve PAC.
Yea ok. I saw Manny taking many breaks last night. But what makes you think Floyd cant do what Marquez did, only better.
You're to Young to be a Boxing fan right? So let me educate you Genius! Manny strategy last night is a sword and shield strategy. First the Shield, Manny and Freddi device a plan to test Cottos power by absorbing his best shot in Manny's forearm at the same time tiring him and put a psycholigical dent on his will "by saying to himself that this guy has been absorbing my best shot and is not even bothered", that breaks him down mentally. Second the Sword, After absorbing some punches Manny goes to the Offense and unleashed Hell upon Cotto... this breaks him down more psychologically more that the punishment his absorbing physically coz he already knows that he can't hurt Manny and his being hurt in retun. Manny and Fredi strategy is more Psychological at first then Physical. If your opponent has a "big heart" thats the first one you take away in a fight. INTIENDES?!
Yea ok. I saw Manny taking many breaks last night. But what makes you think Floyd cant do what Marquez did, only better.
That is called showing merciful respect to a broken fighter. He could have taken Cotto out at anytime after the 8th round.
Yea ok. I saw Manny taking many breaks last night. But what makes you think Floyd cant do what Marquez did, only better.
Because Floyd doesn't throw combinations?
Because Floyd doesn't like to fight?
and..because Pacquiao has improved.
what makes you think Pacquiao can't do what Zab and Castillo did only for 12 rounds?
I can't figure out how this fight would turn out.
Floyd is so much quicker than Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez. He's one of the best counter punchers there's ever been. He'll find the openings marquez did and capatialize on them more. I think Manny's improved since then, but I think Floyd's far superior to JMM as we saw.
On the other hand, Manny's southpaw stance alone is a natural style problem for Floyd. He's forced to be more aggressive against them from what I can tell. His shoulder roll defense can be dented with straight left hands. He'll be forced to exchange punches with the fastest fighter he's ever faced. I also think Pac's chin is proven now that he's walked through clean punches from a solid Welterweight puncher.
Yea ok. I saw Manny taking many breaks last night. But what makes you think Floyd cant do what Marquez did, only better.
Zab took about 8 rounds off in the Mayweather fight then :p
Zab has blistering hand speed but he is not accurate and does not throw at angles. If you work him out, he has no plan B. pAC HAS THE POWER, ACCURACY AND WORKRATE AND THAT IS WHY HE IS SO DANGEROUS.
It is possible, but Pac is clearly not the same fighter he was back then. Pac would have KO'd the Marquez that showed up VS Floyd.
Floyd is a smart fighter. he'll adapt. Every time Manny misses Floyd will make him pay
Manny will force Floyd to fight at his very best to win.
Its clear now that the only punch that can hurt Manny is the one he doesn't see coming.
Floyd can do that.
Floyd Fans are Delussional! Floyd is not Faster or Quicker than Manny. He can adjust againts slow guys with bad cardio but he can't do that againts a smart, faster, tougher and stronger punching guy like Manny with Great cardio.
Floyd is a smart fighter. he'll adapt. Every time Manny misses Floyd will make him pay
Manny will force Floyd to fight at his very best to win.
Its clear now that the only punch that can hurt Manny is the one he doesn't see coming.
Floyd can do that.
Exactly, and Floyd won't trade with Manny and his fans know that so they excuse is Floyd will "run".