would Henry Armstrong be accuse of using steroids too...

Because believe me - a lot of these top fighters are using heavy. Who are the top fighters that you believe are using?

It's funny how steroids and other PEDs have been such a big scandal in baseball in the past decade, always discussed how it was ruining the "integrity" of the national pastime. Baseball's history is filled with such lovely things as the spitball, the 1919 World Series, being way behind boxing & football in integration, "Greenies", sign-stealing. The most famous homerun in baseball history is debated to have been aided by sign-stealing, as the Giants have admitted to stealing signs in other games of that comeback late in that season. I'm actually not too sure of it's even illegal, but then again, is HGH use even illegal? Hey, it's not tested for, right? Personally, I really don't care if they're using or not. It's intriguing to know who's using for many purposes but I'm not sure it taints anything. Maybe everyone should use...maybe everyone is using. Anyway, I probably feel this way because growing up I loved Barry Bonds. Thought he was far and away the best hitter I'd ever seen and this goes back to the days when he played for Pittsburgh. To see him get blackballed and then taken to the cleaners reeked of a well-planned character assassination. Maybe he deserved it for being a jerk about it but he's not the only guy who denied. They pretty much all did, yet I still see ARod (who I love), Big Papi and co. out there playing.

you know if pac was on hgh i wouldnt care at all. james toney being on it didint damage his legacy, for me personally, it wouldnt damage pacs neither. keep in mind, i live in the bay area and was a huge bonds fan. once i saw all those hypocrits go down with bonds, i realized crying about roids is pointless. infact. i miss roids in baseball, dudes like brady anderson every other year was entertaining. It's funny how steroids and other PEDs have been such a big scandal in baseball in the past decade, always discussed how it was ruining the "integrity" of the national pastime. Baseball's history is filled with such lovely things as the spitball, the 1919 World Series, being way behind boxing & football in integration, "Greenies", sign-stealing. The most famous homerun in baseball history is debated to have been aided by sign-stealing, as the Giants have admitted to stealing signs in other games of that comeback late in that season. I'm actually not too sure of it's even illegal, but then again, is HGH use even illegal? Hey, it's not tested for, right?

lol yeah right. Yeah right what?

I see your point but I'm here to tell you - as I'm sure several others on this board will attest to - the rumors of Pacquiao being on steroids didn't start with Floyd Mayweather Sr. Maybe they did on these boards but among boxing circles this has been going around for over a year. He just said what's been whispered for some time now, being the a**hole that he is. You can't randomly just say, "well why didn't they say that about such and such?" This notion came from somewhere - and not just because he was knocking cats into next week, follow me? It's just one of those things. And it's kind of sad but I think the question people need to ask themselves is, if you're favorite fighter was found out, would you care? Because believe me - a lot of these top fighters are using heavy. lol yeah right.

i fukkin totally agree. gangsterr!

lol, i think manny is accused of steroids use by some people, because those people's opinions were based from an opinion of a crackhead. did pernell move up so many divisions? like armstrong and manny, and did he carry his power up in so many wt class that would give people suspicion that he is on steroids? I see your point but I'm here to tell you - as I'm sure several others on this board will attest to - the rumors of Pacquiao being on steroids didn't start with Floyd Mayweather Sr. Maybe they did on these boards but among boxing circles this has been going around for over a year. He just said what's been whispered for some time now, being the a**hole that he is. You can't randomly just say, "well why didn't they say that about such and such?" This notion came from somewhere - and not just because he was knocking cats into next week, follow me? It's just one of those things. And it's kind of sad but I think the question people need to ask themselves is, if you're favorite fighter was found out, would you care? Because believe me - a lot of these top fighters are using heavy.

On this forum, yes he would. i fukkin totally agree.

That's a weird question. Did people ever accuse Pernell Whitaker? If not, why do you think they didn't? I mean, Pea wasn't as loved as Manny. In fact, compared to Manny he was hated. Why didn't they accuse him? lol, i think manny is accused of steroids use by some people, because those people's opinions were based from an opinion of a crackhead. did pernell move up so many divisions? like armstrong and manny, and did he carry his power up in so many wt class that would give some idiots suspicion that he is on steroids?

On this forum, yes he would.

yeah I'm almost sure steroids wasn't available back in his days my question was, IF steroids were available back in his days would people also accuse Armstrong of being a steroid user instead of acknowledging his unbelievable achievements? That's a weird question. Did people ever accuse Pernell Whitaker? If not, why do you think they didn't? I mean, Pea wasn't as loved as Manny. In fact, compared to Manny he was hated. Why didn't they accuse him?

To my knowledge, there were no steroids in Armstrong's time. yeah I'm almost sure steroids wasn't available back in his days my question was, IF steroids were available back in his days would people also accuse Armstrong of being a steroid user instead of acknowledging his unbelievable achievements?

you know if pac was on hgh i wouldnt care at all. james toney being on it didint damage his legacy, for me personally, it wouldnt damage pacs neither. keep in mind, i live in the bay area and was a huge bonds fan. once i saw all those hypocrits go down with bonds, i realized crying about roids is pointless. infact. i miss roids in baseball, dudes like brady anderson every other year was entertaining. Basically. It's a shame what happened to Bonds - just because he was 5x better than everyone before steroids then he was 100x better after he started taking them. So now that we know everyone's a user, he still has the homerun record, right? I hope so. Anyway, I wouldn't mind too much if the top boxers came out and admitted it. Let's face it, the chances that your fave boxer is using is very high.

That's because boxing forums like this are filled with people who are less of being fans of the sport, but fans of fighters more so. Grown men hero-worshipping people who they've never met because they're good at sports. Not looking for a sport to love, but looking for a dikk to suck. Aren't you supposed to grow out of this sh!t when you reach a certain age, usually somewhere in the teens? I wouldn't like it if the fighters I like were on PEDs. But it wouldn't surprise me one bit. They're probably all over pro sports, and no, most pro athletes aren't gonna say "no, I honor honesty and playing fair over winning" when given the opportunity to take a PED that will most likely not be tested for. you know if pac was on hgh i wouldnt care at all. james toney being on it didint damage his legacy, for me personally, it wouldnt damage pacs neither. keep in mind, i live in the bay area and was a huge bonds fan. once i saw all those hypocrits go down with bonds, i realized crying about roids is pointless. infact. i miss roids in baseball, dudes like brady anderson every other year was entertaining.

in alot of his fights he was very undersized...its like manny fighting cotto at 147 but coming in at 141 because he wouldnt even make 147

um...nope.

Yep and met his obese son at the time too. If anyone would have said Prince was going to ammount to anything in athletics I would have laughed at them. It still amazes me. Hahahahaha. That's hilarious.

I remember when he broke the 50 mark, back then that was some huge huge deal. No one had done that in so long. Then a few years later (probably thanks to PEDs) a number of guys were doing it. That why I was a fan, never rally looked at home runs the same.

Cecil Fielder??? Yep and met his obese son at the time too. If anyone would have said Prince was going to ammount to anything in athletics I would have laughed at them. It still amazes me.

i thought you were gonna say Laimbeer of Mahorn I met Joe Dumars, Laimbeer and Dennis Rodaman in the early 90's also. Joe Dumars was cool and not a retard, laimber was real smart but he is a jackass, and Rodman was a cool back then before he went insane but he was not the brightest bulb. Vinnie Johnson was also a cool cat