Are the World Title's in the Super 6 meaningless !!!!

Does it really matter whether World Title's change hands in the upcoming Super Six tournament , as at the end of the day if all goes well we will have a clear number one fighter in the SPMW division and the World Title's are elementary . Added to that will the Organisations make the champions defend there belts with mandatory's while the 2 year tourney is running ala Kessler Perdomo ???? Your thoughts ???? the winner of the tourny should end up with atleast 2 belts.

Very interesting point of view. I actually think Direll/Ward would quit, as their not even high level competition careers have started. But don't you think they've made some "you have to pay to leave" agreements? I hope they have, but promoters often find a way out of these things when they really want to. If anything, I think the title bouts have MORE meaning in the tournament. This is the first time in years we will be treated to a series of title bouts with totally worthy contenders. Yeah, so let's hope the titles remain in the competition at the final 4 stage.

If anything, I think the title bouts have MORE meaning in the tournament. This is the first time in years we will be treated to a series of title bouts with totally worthy contenders.

Exactly. Have the organisers thought about that scenario?? Furthermore, most pro boxers nowadays have enough trouble scheduling and showing up for one fight, let alone 3-5 fights. Injuries cause delays all the time. Plus, if one of the fighters, particularly one of the relative novices like Dirrell/Ward gets KOd brutally in the first fight, will his team REALLY want him to immediately face 2 more top 10 SMWs? Have they got a back-up plan for if a fighter pulls out of the competition after his first loss? Very interesting point of view. I actually think Direll/Ward would quit, as their not even high level competition careers have started. But don't you think they've made some "you have to pay to leave" agreements?

Exactly. Imagine this: Kessler, Abraham, Froch wins first round. Kessler takes both titles round two, Taylor looses his second fight too. Taylor beats Kessler round 3. No titles in play. Exactly. Have the organisers thought about that scenario?? Furthermore, most pro boxers nowadays have enough trouble scheduling and showing up for one fight, let alone 3-5 fights. Injuries cause delays all the time. Plus, if one of the fighters, particularly one of the relative novices like Dirrell/Ward gets KOd brutally in the first fight, will his team REALLY want him to immediately face 2 more top 10 SMWs? Have they got a back-up plan for if a fighter pulls out of the competition after his first loss?

Exactly. Imagine this: Kessler, Abraham, Froch wins first round. Kessler takes both titles round two, Taylor looses his second fight too. Taylor beats Kessler round 3. No titles in play.

What if someone loses his first 2 fights and is then mathematically out of the tournament, but then beats one of the champs in his 3rd and final bout? That guy will then exit the tournament with one of the belts.

They were chosen primarily for marketability, most of the fighters I would have wanted are not American and the ones who are, are unknown. Ward and Dirrell are U.S Olympians, they always have gotten special treatment in boxing and it is the primary reason why they are in the tourney. The point of this was to prove without a doubt who the best SMW in the world is. I don't think the participants for this can sufficiently do this, but it beats watching all of them beat up cans and mando-cans. Id say marketability and potential are the main two when considering Ward & Dirrell , you are making a pretty big argument for a pretty big nobody in my eyes with Green . Who ever comes out of this tourney a winner will in my eyes will be the number 1 fighter @167 probably primed and ready for a super bout with Pavlik should Arum have his way and or Williams doesnt put pay to that one !!!! To say that a potential winner among this calibre of fighter and in this format is not the number 1 in the world because they wont have fought Bute or Andrade is way way wide of the mark !!!!!!!!!

Kessler and Froch are obvious picks they have to be in there. I would have had Bute and Andrade settle their rematch in the tourney. I also would have had Allan Green and either Bika or Ward would be fine if I have to stick with the six man robin style construct......no way I put Dirrell in, he has no notable wins at all even though he appears to have skills. Taylor has 1 win out of his last 4 where he was ko'd in two of those fights, and AA is untested on an elite level which I made a thread all about here..... http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312825 Well lets look at market ability , Abraham is an undefeated middleweight champion with 10 straight defences under his belt he for me is a no brainer , Allan Green , well Allan Green is a fighter the boxing may faithfull may know but you ask the general public who Allan Green is they will reply Allan who ???? , and to put up an argument saying Direll has fought nobody and say you would include Green is pretty hypocritical as Green's resume is far from great with a loss to Miranda !!!!!! You have a fair point on Bika , but Bika we have seen and heard him before , he is old news . Me personally i think they have picked exactly the right people with varying marketing angles and different styles and from different country's . Id have changed one thing , id have put Pavlik in for either Ward or Dirrell probably Ward , but hey Bob Arum has his own agenda for KP !!!!!!

Dirrell is Froch`s mandatory for the WBC belt. That's true, but the WBC said they would not force him to make a mandatory defense after that.

Dirrell is Froch`s mandatory for the WBC belt.

No, they give you an idea of who the top 4-5 fighters in a division are. Even the winner of the tourney may not be the clear cut best at SMW. Some ppl will still wonder how the winner would do against Bute if he beats Andrade and remains unbeaten getting wins over the next 2 years. What if Allan Green gets some good wins in this span of time or someone else emerges as a top contender at SMW?......this doesn't solve very much though I look forward to great fights that are evenly matched. They didn't pick the right combination of fighters for the tourney to determine a clear cut #1 at SMW. Really , mmmmmmmm....... interesting !!! Who would have made your line up ??????????????

Firstly there are no mandatory obligatons until the Tournament ends. And secondly, I think the titles are worthless when considering the tournament will establish a champion. But the titles do add glamour to bouts...and of course people will want to become a 'world champion' by claiming a belt along the way. I've stopped paying any respect to any of the four titles anymore. I try my best to recognise one lineal champion in each division. This tournament should clear that up for the SMW division with Calzaghe's retirement. Thanks for clearing the Madatory one up !!!!! Really good reply i agree with all of the above !!!! :biggthump

I think it brings more prestige to the tournament honestly. And no, the sanctioning bodies have given their blessings so to speak for the titlists to go through the tournament without fighting mandatories but that's mainly because the guys with the titles will fight guys that are ranked in the top 10 by the sanctioning bodies.

No. Even if it's a paper title, always better to have 1 on your resume than not.

I wouldn't have lost sleep if they weren't apart of it, but the fact they are and at least the WBC has fully endorsed it is a good sign. I assume the WBA won't enforce mandatories too.

But anyway like you say, even if they did enforce a defence, the fighter would discard them and prove how worthless they are. This tournament is the road to the championship.

Says who?????? Jose Sulaiman said the WBC would not enforce a mandatory defence while the tournament continues. And then I'm sure the WBA followed suit after.

Does it really matter whether World Title's change hands in the upcoming Super Six tournament , as at the end of the day if all goes well we will have a clear number one fighter in the SPMW division and the World Title's are elementary . Added to that will the Organisations make the champions defend there belts with mandatory's while the 2 year tourney is running ala Kessler Perdomo ???? Your thoughts ???? Firstly there are no mandatory obligatons until the Tournament ends. And secondly, I think the titles are worthless when considering the tournament will establish a champion. But the titles do add glamour to bouts...and of course people will want to become a 'world champion' by claiming a belt along the way. I've stopped paying any respect to any of the four titles anymore. I try my best to recognise one lineal champion in each division. This tournament should clear that up for the SMW division with Calzaghe's retirement.

Yes all alphabetical title are meaningless in every single division.