i really hope people dont actually believe that james toney could last 2 rounds with either klitschko. He's 5'10 with a 72'' reach. No chance. Want to know why the klits act like he is insignificant...its because he is. He is a cheating, washed up bum, who in the past couple years got worked by rahman and got a gift draw, got worked by oquendo and if you dont take away the point would have lost an sd not won it. The dude couldnt even get a ud over batchelder...and who the hell is batchelder. Toney is washed up. Klits are trying to extend their legacy on the next generation of boxing. Thats why they are fighting the young up and comers so when 10 years from now someone is like, "i wonder how _______ would have done against vitali" people will say "vitali pounded _________ into submission." toney is garbage, does nothing for either and cant bring in fans anymore
"the young up and comers" like who areeola! Cmon man that dude cant fight at all fam!....there was no skill an agility ,head movement ,game plan he jus didnt bring nuthn to the table except heart....johnson is a far better fighter than areeola imo..question tho?was klit runnin from areeola? That looked funny!...lol
vitali got a softened up sam peter
dont forget mccline knocked peter down a few times
those fights were after toney softened him up
he was never thesame fighter after fighting toney
fam you know boxing!......CUZ THATS WHAT I SEE TOO ...TONEY RUFFED HIS THICK ASS UP IN ROUND 6 OF THE 1ST FIGHT!
true!..toney would come in @ 206 and walk klit into sumthin terrible mayne like his thunderous left hook that his (VITALY) big goofy ass prolly wont ever see coming!!!!...TONEY! TONEY! TONEY!
No.
Povetkin is tailor-made for Wlad. There is nothing even an excellent trainer like Nazim Richardson or Freddie Roach could do to prevent Wladimir from knocking him out, let alone an idiot like Teddy.
I like the Klits(and yes I like Teddy also).. but I'd love to see Teddy help Povetkin beat a Klit just so you could sh*t your pants. I mean that in the nicest way possible. BTW your Jessica Biel Avatar has me lookin' to wack it everytime a Klit related thread shows up.
Povetkin is better then any of you are giving credit for. Not saying he'd beat the klitschkos but I can see him doing a much better job then Arreola or any other fight thus far that has challenge any of them. I have a feeling Povetkin will move alot showing alot of lateral movements and is willing to take risks.
Meaning we might actually see Povetkin get ktfo but atleast he has the balls to take risks in the ring. I've seen so many of the klitschko opponents come straight forward and don't really throw much because they're scared, should show better lateral movements.
You should fix your sig, son. "Again" is spelled wrong.
Well do you think Teddy Atlas would be able to change that?? Or pick up on some kinda flaw in either Klitschko's game for Povetkin to take advantage of whenit presents itself??
That's hard to say.
I mean technically ; it's possible.
Anything is possible in this game.
He's likely to have changed or altered some of Povetkin's bigger flaws, but I don't see him coming into a Klitschko fight with Mike Tyson type head movement. :lol1:
I also don't see him becoming a slicker type fighter, either.
I look for him to maximize the pressure, while trying to minimize the damage.
Only time will tell.
It's possible, but unlikely.
Big Klit is definitely the easier one to "pick off" at the moment, if you ask me. What with the layoff, his advancing age, the injuries, and a bit of what I would consider a "leaky gas tank" as of late.
But in order to do that he would have to take a hell of a lot of damage to pull it off, because Big Klit won't go down without a serious fight.
And Povetkin clearly doesn't like getting tagged cleanly and often ; as evidence'd by the first few rounds of the Chambers fight.
Prior to Eddie going into his defensive shell and cutting down his output he was tagging Alexander cleanly over and over again and Povetkin was clearly bothered by it.
Big Klit isn't as slick or fast ad Chambers, but what he lacks there he more than makes up for with bone crunching power.
I also don't think he moves his head nearly enough to get the job done on Big Klit without exposing himself to a lot of return fire.
But we'll see.
Well do you think Teddy Atlas would be able to change that?? Or pick up on some kinda flaw in either Klitschko's game for Povetkin to take advantage of whenit presents itself??
how bout Vitali?
It's possible, but unlikely.
Big Klit is definitely the easier one to "pick off" at the moment, if you ask me. What with the layoff, his advancing age, the injuries, and a bit of what I would consider a "leaky gas tank" as of late.
But in order to do that he would have to take a hell of a lot of damage to pull it off, because Big Klit won't go down without a serious fight.
And Povetkin clearly doesn't like getting tagged cleanly and often ; as evidence'd by the first few rounds of the Chambers fight.
Prior to Eddie going into his defensive shell and cutting down his output he was tagging Alexander cleanly over and over again and Povetkin was clearly bothered by it.
Big Klit isn't as slick or fast ad Chambers, but what he lacks there he more than makes up for with bone crunching power.
I also don't think he moves his head nearly enough to get the job done on Big Klit without exposing himself to a lot of return fire.
But we'll see.
Ya but thats just his opinion and only a small portion of boxing knowledge and training capability. Every "keys to victory" segment Atlas has done for FNF has always on point. Dude has massive amounts of boxing knowledge.
Agreed ; his boxing knowledge is great. It's just his picks that suck shit. :lol1:
I don't think Povetkin will be able to dethrone either Klit brother, though.
I could be wrong but honestly ; it's hard to imagine either of them losing at this point.
They have a Pacquiao-like aura of untouchability around them right now.
Teddy Atlas doesn't even hold the answer to 99% of "who wins this weekend?".
Ya but thats just his opinion and only a small portion of boxing knowledge and training capability. Every "keys to victory" segment Atlas has done for FNF has always on point. Dude has massive amounts of boxing knowledge.
No.
Povetkin is tailor-made for Wlad. There is nothing even an excellent trainer like Nazim Richardson or Freddie Roach could do to prevent Wladimir from knocking him out, let alone an idiot like Teddy.
What about Vitali?
James Toney couldnt beat Sam Peter in 2 fights and Vitali beat him into submission after a 3yr layoff.
Peter got a gift in the 1st one but he won the 2nd