I was reading some comments in the other Margarito thread and it got me to thinking when someone said that Margarito basically cheated in every fight.
"what if Margarito rematches both Cintron and Cotto, and still proceeds to stop both fighters?"
Does it justify the first time he won, or will there still be speculation?
Would people be satisfied or would there still be critics in regards to every fight that didn't involve Shane Mosley?
I dont believe he had used it before. Nothing adds up to him using it prior to Mosley.
He beat Cintron 2x already. Once, before Paul Willaims (which is what all the doubters believe he began cheating), and stopped Cintron in 5. Then he faught Cintron again after Paul Williams and stopped him in 6. If he was using plaster after Paul Williams dont you believe Cintron would have been stopped earlier than 5?
Then the Cotto fight. People make a big deal ONLY because it was Cotto's first loss. Whatever, Cotto can get a rematch and the SAME exact thing will happen. Cotto just doesn't do well against pressure and guys with incredible chins.
So, to me, beating Cintron and Cotto again doesn't do anything for me. I have faith in the dude. Beating Cotto again will just put him back on top quick.
I been sayin all along that til proof surfaces, I suspect, but won't trash him for cheatin in any fights past the SSM fight. Based on styles, Marg was all wrong for Cotto anyway. But that's the only other fight anybody gives a shit about, so that's the fight that needs a rematch ASAP. It won't silence Cotto's stans if he won again, but it'd be enuf to show he didn't need to do dirt to win. To hell wit Cintron. And even if he did KO both these guys in rematches, I'd still never root for him again. Once is too many times for some foul shit like that. Fukk Marg.
LOL, I wonder if margaritto can play the "when mosely's camp caught me cheating, it through me off my game, i was worried about the possible penalities i was going to face after the fight, and i couldnt focus on my gameplan, i deserve a rematch" card
How come if margaritto cheated his entire career, he just now got caught? is there that many trainers that don't care enough about their fighters to check the wraps, possibly?
I think if margs fights cintron, he wins, if he fights cotto he loses, either way they'll always be a ? mark on all his fights, doesn't matter, if you've cheated once, people will speculate that you always have cheated, best not to cheat i guess.
If he does come back and beats cintron again and cotto again, I'd have to ask, why cheat in the first place?
Upon his return, I'm sure they'll just line him up with Mexican tomato cans (most of them probably bribed and extorted) so that he looks good. Then he'll start making "demands" to face an old Mosley again, and so on.
Very predictable.
IF Margarito comes back and beats Cotto or Cintron or both.....
Everyone will forget because that's what winning will do.
No matter what his detractors say, he will have reedemed himself.
i wonder wat r people gonna say once margo beats cintron AGIAN... 'cintron is over the hill' i can see that happening
and cotto didnt look too good in his last fight...
but agian... margarito has this style that fcks with cotto... this go foward fighters that doesent cmonin at cha...
Cotto vs MArgo rematch then will see if the fight was fair but if Cotto wins what is going to be all the margo fans saying that he beat him the first time????:boxing:
I agree with your last paragraph completely.
Its just that I don't see Cintron or Cotto as ruined. Cintron won his last fight against someone who was compared to Tony. Cotto, while suffering a nasty ass cut, still found a way to survive 9 rounds even taking some big shots in the process and never went down.
Should Cotto and Cintron continue to win, and Margarito wins some fights in convincing fashion, these potential matchups are going to be very, very interesting.
The physical and psychological damage has already been done IMO.
Let's see what Plasterito is about once he steps back in the ring. I say with out his plaster, he wont get past B level fighters.
Honestly, I think Tony destroyed both fighters with his plaster.
There is no bigger rivalry than Mexico vs Puerto Rico and I believe with out a shadow of a doubt, for the sake of PRIDE, that Tony used plaster in his bouts against both. Rumors have it that Tony was even using PLASTER on his sparring partners. If in fact Tony was so heavy handed, why did he feel the need to use them against an OLD Shane Mosley?
We shall see soon enough if Tony's power still shows up in the future bouts. If he no longer knocks people out the way he was before he was caught, there will be more of that suspicion hanging over his head and it will be pretty hard to deny it later. Let's just wait and see. I saw no power from him against Shane Mosley. They took Tony's plaster and it was as if they had cut off both his arms.
I agree with your last paragraph completely.
Its just that I don't see Cintron or Cotto as ruined. Cintron won his last fight against someone who was compared to Tony. Cotto, while suffering a nasty ass cut, still found a way to survive 9 rounds even taking some big shots in the process and never went down.
Should Cotto and Cintron continue to win, and Margarito wins some fights in convincing fashion, these potential matchups are going to be very, very interesting.
if there was so indication of plaster or anything of that sort before than i don't see why not. I can undersand if the fighters came out complaining but i have yet to hear anything...which makes me think they people are giving MArgarito more shit than he really deserves...
Honestly, I think Tony destroyed both fighters with his plaster.
There is no bigger rivalry than Mexico vs Puerto Rico and I believe with out a shadow of a doubt, for the sake of PRIDE, that Tony used plaster in his bouts against both. Rumors have it that Tony was even using PLASTER on his sparring partners. If in fact Tony was so heavy handed, why did he feel the need to use them against an OLD Shane Mosley?
We shall see soon enough if Tony's power still shows up in the future bouts. If he no longer knocks people out the way he was before he was caught, there will be more of that suspicion hanging over his head and it will be pretty hard to deny it later. Let's just wait and see. I saw no power from him against Shane Mosley. They took Tony's plaster and it was as if they had cut off both his arms.
The wraps were meant to harden overtime.
Margarito rocks bitches from the first round.
So I take it you'll continue to be a critic of his career before Shane Mosley should Margarito stop Kermit Cintron and Miguel Cotto again?
or,
Margarito would be free of scrutiny for his career minus Shane Mosley?
give the mullet a real bad purse divide and make the fights happen again.
give cintron and cotto both a 70 / 30 purse split and make the fights and go from there.