How limited is Kelly Pavlik?

Yes Hopkins is a genius as he showed everyone that without Pavlik being able to double up on his jab he is simply ineffective. I dont think it was a weight issue for Pavlik, it was just he got figured out by Hopkins - simple as that really.

No shit sherlock, but he is much older now. And he showed pretty good workrate and landed punches for an old-timer. In his other fights with Calzaghe and Winky he was less offensive. you should have said that in the original post.

you do realize that boxing did exist before 2005 right? let me introduce you to prime hopkins No shit sherlock, but he is much older now. And he showed pretty good workrate and landed punches for an old-timer. In his other fights with Calzaghe and Winky he was less offensive.

Ok then Hopkins has better balance then Joe anyway you look at it Joe gets caught with right hands....Lefty definetely does. I agree. Put more by sneaky rights, Pavlik's almost always comes behind a jab.

I never seen Hopkins fight as offensively as he did that night as if he knew being too defensive would be a negative against Pavliks style. Except against Tarver he was a bit more active, but I felt like he was really offensive monster against Pavlik. you do realize that boxing did exist before 2005 right? let me introduce you to prime hopkins

Joe Calzaghe doesn't actually get hurt often. Getting caught of balance is one thing. Both knockdowns against Hopkins and Jones are fairly dubious. Hopkins was a punch and a shove, and Roy's was just a straight up fluke anyway you look at it, and yeah that did hur Joe, but that was barely a punch...at all. Joe has a world class chin. No doubt. Ok then Hopkins has better balance then Joe anyway you look at it Joe gets caught with right hands....Lefty

ya'll must've forgot!

You could check all three options. Yes he is somewhat limited. Yes He appears sluggish at anything over 160lbs. Yes Hopkins is a genius. Hopkins deserves most of the credit, but Pavlik jumping up to 170 compounded what Hopkins did to him. Taylor used a lot of lateral movement in the second Pavlik fight and Pavlik was still able to find him and still able to throw punches.

Calzaghe does not have the chin that Hopkins has. He has been dropped several times by fighters not considered BIG punchers. Hopkins dropped him with a right hand and an OLD Jones dropped him with a right hand. I think he saw the straight right hand of pavlik as being his biggest weapona and opted for an older and bigger name in Jones....lefty Joe Calzaghe doesn't actually get hurt often. Getting caught of balance is one thing. Both knockdowns against Hopkins and Jones are fairly dubious. Hopkins was a punch and a shove, and Roy's was just a straight up fluke anyway you look at it, and yeah that did hur Joe, but that was barely a punch...at all. Joe has a world class chin. No doubt.

Calzaghe totally ****ed himself for taking a fight over roy and not pavlik. His speed and movement would have probably done the same thing to Pavlik. HAHAHA, its funny in some ways... Calzaghe could have retired over a win over Pavlik but instead Jones Jr... Not a good decision from his people unless he saw something in Pavlik that could beat him... I don't see anything in Pavlik that would have beaten Calzaghe. The fans were looking so forward to a Calzaghe/Pavlik showdown and I was personally pissed off when Calzaghe fought Jones Jr instead. Calzaghe does not have the chin that Hopkins has. He has been dropped several times by fighters not considered BIG punchers. Hopkins dropped him with a right hand and an OLD Jones dropped him with a right hand. I think he saw the straight right hand of pavlik as being his biggest weapona and opted for an older and bigger name in Jones....lefty

Calzaghe totally ****ed himself for taking a fight over roy and not pavlik. His speed and movement would have probably done the same thing to Pavlik. HAHAHA, its funny in some ways... Calzaghe could have retired over a win over Pavlik but instead Jones Jr... Not a good decision from his people unless he saw something in Pavlik that could beat him... I don't see anything in Pavlik that would have beaten Calzaghe. The fans were looking so forward to a Calzaghe/Pavlik showdown and I was personally pissed off when Calzaghe fought Jones Jr instead. Yep, Joe messed up. If he took on Pavlik first, he probably would have fought Jones anyway. It would have been a comprehensive victory, I think Pav would do a little better against Joe but he'd still get beasted,and actually be in danger of getting stopped if Joe got into a pattern latter in the fight. When Hopkins really put two and three's and fours together it was kind of uncomfortable to watch, that's all Calzaghe would be doing. Pavlik would hit Joe though with a few right hands perhaps, so he'd have some success I think, and if he could hurt Joe it could change the fight. Doubtful though.

Hopkins was too slick, too quick and too smart for Pavlik. I knew Hopkins lateral movement would cause Pavlik hell, I also knew Hopkins would take away his jab that Pavlik uses to set up everything he does. I never expected Hopkins to be so offensive and i never expected to be so one sided either. Took the words out of my mouth...

Hopkins was too slick, too quick and too smart for Pavlik. I knew Hopkins lateral movement would cause Pavlik hell, I also knew Hopkins would take away his jab that Pavlik uses to set up everything he does. I never expected Hopkins to be so offensive and i never expected to be so one sided either.

Calzaghe totally ****ed himself for taking a fight over roy and not pavlik. His speed and movement would have probably done the same thing to Pavlik. HAHAHA, its funny in some ways... Calzaghe could have retired over a win over Pavlik but instead Jones Jr... Not a good decision from his people unless he saw something in Pavlik that could beat him... I don't see anything in Pavlik that would have beaten Calzaghe. The fans were looking so forward to a Calzaghe/Pavlik showdown and I was personally pissed off when Calzaghe fought Jones Jr instead. I to think Calzaghe has to pinch himself for not taking the Pavlik showdown, I feel with Calzaghe's speed, accuracy, timing, and southpaw stance,would of all been to much for Pavlik. And a Calzaghe/Pavlik showdown would of been much bigger than the Jones Jr/Calzaghe fight. It would of been a much better win for Calzaghe, in terms of legacy. Beating the prime Middlweight Champion, who had not yet tasted defeat. But Calzaghe chose to beat a very past his best Roy Jones Jr, who he said he would never fight a few years before, due to him being finished.

No excuses. Bhop beat that ass cuz he's the man.

Well when my first glimpse of Pavlik was the Miranda fight and i thought he looked like a decent fighter but nothing more. When he beat Taylor the first time i decided to watch a few of his previous performances against McKart,Zertuche, and i came to the conclusion that yes he has lots of heart and he is a good guy, but he is just a one dimmensional consistent fighter with above average. I like Pavlik because he is a warrior but he is what he is.

Kelly Pavlik has serious power in both hands. He has a big heart and always come's to fight and give's 100%. His is rather slow of hand and foot speed, and his defence is very medicore, his chin is good at best, but can be dropped. Pavlik also has a good finishing ability, rarely letting you off, when he's hurt you. When he wants he can also put some good combinations together. But as Bernard Hopkins's proved Kelly can be beat to the punch rather easily. As a amature Kelly was a boxer mover, and when punching for pay, started planting his feet more and becoming more of a puncher. Calzaghe totally ****ed himself for taking a fight over roy and not pavlik. His speed and movement would have probably done the same thing to Pavlik. HAHAHA, its funny in some ways... Calzaghe could have retired over a win over Pavlik but instead Jones Jr... Not a good decision from his people unless he saw something in Pavlik that could beat him... I don't see anything in Pavlik that would have beaten Calzaghe. The fans were looking so forward to a Calzaghe/Pavlik showdown and I was personally pissed off when Calzaghe fought Jones Jr instead.

Kelly Pavlik has serious power in both hands. He has a big heart and always come's to fight and give's 100%. His is rather slow of hand and foot speed, and his defence is very medicore, his chin is good at best, but can be dropped. Pavlik also has a good finishing ability, rarely letting you off, when he's hurt you. When he wants he can also put some good combinations together. But as Bernard Hopkins's proved Kelly can be beat to the punch rather easily. As a amature Kelly was a boxer mover, and when punching for pay, started planting his feet more and becoming more of a puncher.

Everybody expected Hopkins to be KO'd into retirement. Sort of like against Trinidad and Tarver. A Young and Strong champion taking on and old man, really made everyone thinking of this one outcome. Hopkins just schooled him silly really, just like against Tarver and Trinidad. He effectively ended the careers of Trinidad and Tarver. Don't know yet about Pavlik.