Floyd Mayweather Sr is not a great trainer

everyone who defends sr=flomo...

I dont know where people get this idea from. The guy is only know because of his son. name me one guy hes actually done well with. saying Mayweather Jr. is laughable, Roger was his trainer pretty much all his pro career. thats like saying Roy Jones Sr is a fantastic trainer because he started his son off in boxing. its just dumb. Sr was in jail since 2003, 3 years before Mayweather even went into the Olympics. I don't think you're being fair to floyd sr. floyd sr. laid the foundation and roger just picked up where floyd sr. left off. I saw little to no difference in Hatton against Malignaggi, and he actually did better when he went back to his old mauling style. nope, hatton was doing better when he was patient, which floyd sr. tried to get him to do. hatton got the knock down because he was patient... he never landed another hard punch because hatton got impatient and went back to his mauling ways. a mauling hatton sux asss. Mayweather did nothing with Joan Guzman other than screw up bad and let his fighter come in overweight and not fight. Guzman was trained by Don House up till 2007 and I think someone else before that. and surprise surprise, Guzman is now being trained by Roberto Garcia. in other words, Mayweather Sr did nothing there. again, you aren't being fair to floyd. i agree that guzman was already as good as he was gonna get by the time floyd worked with him, but floyd wasn't responsible for guzman being overweight. saying he did a good job with De La Hoya is a stretch, at best. if anything, he got hit more by Vargas than most people expected, and he didnt look in any way improved after training with Mayweather Sr. floyd didn't give dlh any new wrinkles in terms of boxing skills, but I think he understands dlh better than any other dlh trainer. he's able to get the best out of oscar in training. your surprized that dlh got hit as much as he did against vargas, but dlh had an easier time w/ vargas than mosley did. so Im confused...what makes Sr such a wonderful trainer? IMHO, basically he is a part of the dysfunctional mayweather family. the mayweathers are a famous boxing family. if you have him as a trainer, his fame rubs off on you. other than that, he is good w/ the mitts and can give u a good work out.

Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost. Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer. Exactly, people expect miracles but this sport does not work like that, there were quite a few subtle things hatton did especially defensively with his right hand pawing malignaggi's jab, and Floyd snr realized that hatton has a very good up-jab so he made him use it more...I feel like im talking to a boxing historian rather than someone who really knows there stuff inside the ring. I am very hesitant to talk about trainers, unless it is something obvious in front of our eyes like the wrong or right advice in a corner, fact of the matter is, it is very hard to judge a trainer unless you have seen him up close and personal. You can judge Mayweather snr on all the fighters he has trained and come to your conclusions mainly based on opinion, but the one fighter he trained from childhood and he created and molded to best suit his style, went on to become the very best fighter of his era

ha, ok then. if you honestly believe that Hatton would have lost the Malignaggi fight without Sr., then I dont know what to say. Malignaggi is one of the weakest punching title holders since Chris Byrd, all Hatton had to do was bull through those powderpuff punches and tear up Malignaggi. and how did he make Hatton better in any way? you just said yourself that there was nothing different about Hatton. do you really think Sr made him a better mauler? can you name one thing Hatton did better in the Malignaggi fight that he didnt do before in the Castillo or Urango fights? I saw Hatton keeping his right hand a little higher that time, but thats about it. didnt look better conditioned, didnt look more skilled, didnt look like he even had a particular gameplan...he just did what he always does, no better than hes done in the past.

Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost. Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer. Hatton dominated Lazcano. He barley lost a round. Hatton did nothing that i haven't seen from him in the past. Watch him against Tackie early rounds against Urango etc.

He's good, but not gr8.

What did he do different against Malignaggi that he didn't do 22 months earlier for the first 6 rounds against Juan Urango? Really? I saw nothing new. Ricky just boxed a little bit more than usual : Something he's always been capable of on his own, as the first half of the Urango fight so clearly demonstrated. Senior doesn't add anything new to fighters, he just brings out the best in them. He made hatton better at what he already does. Hatton almost lost to Lazcano for god sakes and then he goes and demolishes Malignaggi in the very next fight. IMO, without Senior to train him for that fight, he would have surely lost. Everyone thinks that Senior was going to make Hatton box instead of brawl, but Senior's intention was never to take Hatton out of his element, he was just going to improve on Hatton's natural ability and that is what he did. Thats what Senior does with all his fighters and that is what makes him a good trainer.

if you don't see what he did for hatton, then you can't possibly see how good of a trainer he really is. What did he do different against Malignaggi that he didn't do 22 months earlier for the first 6 rounds against Juan Urango? Really? I saw nothing new. Ricky just boxed a little bit more than usual : Something he's always been capable of on his own, as the first half of the Urango fight so clearly demonstrated.

I saw little to no difference in Hatton against Malignaggi, and he actually did better when he went back to his old mauling style. if you don't see what he did for hatton, then you can't possibly see how good of a trainer he really is.

I pretty much agree. I thought that some of the changes he made to DLH's style were for the worse. Seeing him on the ropes trying to shoulder roll against Vargas was cringe-worthy. The Pacquiao-Hatton fight will be a big test. I think that the fight is winnable for Hatton, but he isn't going to win it on skill. He's not a Guzman or a Floyd Jr, so Mayweather being able to recognise Hatton's strengths and weaknesses enough to take him to victory will be impressive. At the present time, there is no way he deserves to be considered great IMO. yea its winnable for Hatton....but for some to say he doesnt know what he is doing is a little disrespectful, the guy has been around the sport for years

It would be different if they were funny though, but they're not. The last funny one was coincidentally, El Gallo Homo. Yeah, he was a tough one, vato. ;) :fing02: Alts used to be so hilarious around here back in the day though, it's almost sad to see the state the board is in nowadays. It's like I told Samurai, I basically just look for posts by people on my friend's list, or other users whom I know are quality posters, and I skip everything else. If I actually made use of my ignore list I think I could get at least 300 people on it in my first hour of thought.

Probably. It seems like there's only like 15 or 25 regulars who post here anymore. The rest are all crappy alts. It would be different if they were funny though, but they're not. The last funny one was coincidentally, El Gallo Homo.

You do realise that was SIX YEARS AGO, right? thats how fighters get old, they AGE. and Oscar got hit more often with Sr in his corner anyway. Very helpful. Ive always preferred his 'hey, hey, hey..hey! man....bust his ass' line. Senior himself has claimed he 'invented' the shoulder roll type of defence, which is just a ludicrous claim, considering its been around since way before his time. and yes, Ive seen people refer to it as the Philly Shell. Thank you very much. I couldn't be bothered to dig through the NSB cesspool to find and quote specific examples.

You're not confused...just stupid. Sr added 10 years to Oscar's career. Compare the way Oscar looked trained by Berastain to the way he looked trained by Floyd Sr. You do realise that was SIX YEARS AGO, right? thats how fighters get old, they AGE. and Oscar got hit more often with Sr in his corner anyway. Brrrrtttttt has always been sound advice if you ask me.Very helpful. Ive always preferred his 'hey, hey, hey..hey! man....bust his ass' line. Who said they invented the shoulder roll?????? Don't call people twits if you can't name names. Senior himself has claimed he 'invented' the shoulder roll type of defence, which is just a ludicrous claim, considering its been around since way before his time. and yes, Ive seen people refer to it as the Philly Shell.

I'm sure the user is an alt name. Probably. It seems like there's only like 15 or 25 regulars who post here anymore. The rest are all crappy alts.

You've been a member here for a month. Use your "search" feature. Just do a search, here in NSB, on "Philly Shell". And if I bothered to compile a list of all the twits who post in this forum, it'd be probably 500 people. I'm sure the user is an alt name.

Who said they invented the shoulder roll?????? Don't call people twits if you can't name names. You've been a member here for a month. Use your "search" feature. Just do a search, here in NSB, on "Philly Shell". And if I bothered to compile a list of all the twits who post in this forum, it'd be probably 500 people.

yeah ive got wikipedia too :thumbsdow Floyd snr took over once out of prison, and the reason jnr fired him was because he said snr was a control freak, especially his life outside of boxing and wouldn't let him grow up, also he was always too over critical of jnr performances. Considering all of their differences you will never hear floyd say anything but "my daddy is a great trainer" Roger Mayweather being a better fighter is extremely debatable, did he achieve more? Definitely...Roger was more attacking, and had a punch, which massively hindered snr career, who also did get shot, which ended his career prematurely. Guzman is a matter of opinion, I thought he improved considerable. Of course he already had the ability but under floyd snr he started fighting more to his strengths and less recklessly. Guzman improved defensively, he was born with good reflexes, but floyd snr improved his guard and overall defense.first off, I got the first quote from a newspaper article. second, Sr never 'took over'. Roger was always there training Floyd as well. and Sr's nosiness has to be considered when evaluating him as a trainer. theres a reason why so many fighters end up dropping him. and actions speak louder than words. Jr says a lot of nice things about his dad, but the fact is that they barely talk, and Jr wants nothing to do with him as a trainer either. and Roger was a much better fighter than Sr. surely, if Sr was so good he could have at least gotten a few decent wins under his belt. Roger was a two weight class world champ, who had a LOT of good wins over three weight classes. Sr's biggest moment was getting knocked out by Ray Leonard. Roger had a better jab, a powerful right hand and very solid defence. clearly the overall better fighter.

I'm saying Sr did a better job with Oscar than did Beristain. And I'm saying Oscar would've looked just as bad with Senior had he been in the horrible physical shape he was in when he trained with Nacho.

so Im confused...what makes Sr such a wonderful trainer? Brrrrtttttt has always been sound advice if you ask me.