Who will or wont rate Hatton P4P, if he beats Pacquiao ? I wont rate him as p4p even, if he does win, because he is simply not the best fighter in the world, and one win over a former flyweight wont change that.
Does the best fighter in the world struggle the way Hatton did against Urango,Collazo? does he almost get knocked out by feather fisted fighters like Collazo,lazcano?
I never vote in my polls. I like to see what other people have selected.
Alrighty then.
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Okay so, its made up of more than one persons opinion, but its still their opinion.
"Where Ricky Hatton ends up in my list, nobody cares. Where he ends up on Ring's list, many will agree on. Where he ends up on Ring's list matters to Ricky himself"
If i had a P4P list nobody would care where Hatton ended up on my list, but guess what i wouldn't care where the ring magazine officially put Hatton, and if he gets ranked too highly in Boxing history, it still wouldn't sway the original opinion i held of him, when he was an active fighter, if he is retired by that time of coarse.
I dont listen to "so called" experts, when i score fights. I score them myself i guess im wrong to do that, if my scorecard differs from there's eh? Apparently there opinion means more than mine so =the must have it right and i must have it wrong.
Arsene Wenger/Mourinho were not professional footballers, but both have forged better managerial career's than some of these GREAT ex players who are now sports pundits and " so called experts' Majority of those pundits are failed managers at lower league clubs too. I guess Jose/Wenger were not considered experts, when they got into coaching, but guess what? there opinion is better than most players who played the game at the highest level.
Morale of the story their is not such thing as an expert.
Just out of interest, how come you didnt vote in the poll?
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You appear to have seriously misread my posts. I'm not even sure it's possible to converse with you rationally on this.
How can I say it... Ring magazine's list is one that the majority of people come close to agreeing on. That's pretty much it. Where Ricky Hatton ends up in my list, nobody cares. Where he ends up on Ring's list, many will agree on. Where he ends up on Ring's list matters to Ricky himself.
What yours or my list looks like doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of it all. YES, P4P lists are based on opinion, but some opinions are more respected than others. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but it's pretty much irrelevant because your opinion is not credible within the boxing world.
I'm not sure what else there is to say, and I'm not sure how you even found a problem with what I have said already.
Okay so, its made up of more than one persons opinion, but its still their opinion.
"Where Ricky Hatton ends up in my list, nobody cares. Where he ends up on Ring's list, many will agree on. Where he ends up on Ring's list matters to Ricky himself"
If i had a P4P list nobody would care where Hatton ended up on my list, but guess what i wouldn't care where the ring magazine officially put Hatton, and if he gets ranked too highly in Boxing history, it still wouldn't sway the original opinion i held of him, when he was an active fighter, if he is retired by that time of coarse.
I dont listen to "so called" experts, when i score fights. I score them myself i guess im wrong to do that, if my scorecard differs from there's eh? Apparently there opinion means more than mine so =the must have it right and i must have it wrong.
Arsene Wenger/Mourinho were not professional footballers, but both have forged better managerial career's than some of these GREAT ex players who are now sports pundits and " so called experts' Majority of those pundits are failed managers at lower league clubs too. I guess Jose/Wenger were not considered experts, when they got into coaching, but guess what? there opinion is better than most players who played the game at the highest level.
Morale of the story their is not such thing as an expert.
Why did your persist acting like like some so called "experts" opinion means more than mine or anyone else's then? when it does not.
We are all entitled to our OWN opinion and we all form our opinion on different criteria and it does not always coincide with what ring magazine says, but that does not mean we are wrong to think differently, because the ring magazine are not RIGHT, because its not a factual list they are making.
Their is not right or wrong list there is people's own personal opinion.
You appear to have seriously misread my posts. I'm not even sure it's possible to converse with you rationally on this.
How can I say it... Ring magazine's list is one that the majority of people come close to agreeing on. That's pretty much it. Where Ricky Hatton ends up in my list, nobody cares. Where he ends up on Ring's list, many will agree on. Where he ends up on Ring's list matters to Ricky himself.
What yours or my list looks like doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of it all. YES, P4P lists are based on opinion, but some opinions are more respected than others. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but it's pretty much irrelevant because your opinion is not credible within the boxing world.
I'm not sure what else there is to say, and I'm not sure how you even found a problem with what I have said already.
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Actually, we were already there.
Why did you persist acting like some so called "experts" opinion means more than mine or anyone else's then? when it does not.
We are all entitled to our OWN opinion and we all form our opinion on different criteria and it does not always coincide with what ring magazine says, but that does not mean we are wrong to think differently, because the ring magazine are not RIGHT, because its not a factual list they are making.
There is not a right or wrong list there is people's own personal opinion.
Got their in the end didn't we.
Actually, we were already there.
Maybe you could have some fun in this thread:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249760
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It's not just a random opinion, though. The list is made up from a large panel of people who are respected in the industry and are considered by the majority to be experts. "It's an opinion" is true to a certain extent, but you are way over-simplifying this to the point of absurdity.
Go ahead and make a thread about Mayweather not being the best fighter. In fact, forget Mayweather, he is retired. Instead, make a thread saying "Pacquiao doesn't deserve to be #1 on any P4P lists." You will find that the majority of people disagree with you.
Who gives a shit? Dont you understand its mythical not fact.
What is an expert? there opinion means about as much as anyone elses.
They probably will disgaree, but they will only be putting foward THEIR OPINION, and that is not FACT is it??
It matters to fighters, because they make more money lol
Id of thought that was painfully obvious thing to figure out. Mayweather/ Jones made millions, because of that mythical title, but Jones wanted to fight bin men whilst he held the mythical title.
Coincidence? no. P4P is bad for Boxing not good, its good for the fighters though.
I'm sorry... I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Word it which way you like, its an opinion at the end of day.
Well, if i make a thread saying Mayweather wasn't the best fighter in the world at the time. Do your think people will tell me he was ? they would yes even though, its a mythical title, and there is no way of proving what they are trying to say.
It's not just a random opinion, though. The list is made up from a large panel of people who are respected in the industry and are considered by the majority to be experts. "It's an opinion" is true to a certain extent, but you are way over-simplifying this to the point of absurdity.
Go ahead and make a thread about Mayweather not being the best fighter. In fact, forget Mayweather, he is retired. Instead, make a thread saying "Pacquiao doesn't deserve to be #1 on any P4P lists." You will find that the majority of people disagree with you.
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"The kids"? No, it matters to the FIGHTERS, that's why they are working to be in that position. You won't hear Hatton saying "My goal is to be P4P on Setanta's list", would you?
"The kids" don't matter. And for your information, I am not a kid!
It matters to fighters, because they make more money lol
Id of thought that was painfully obvious thing to figure out. Mayweather/ Jones made millions, because of that mythical title, but Jones wanted to fight bin men whilst he held the mythical title.
Coincidence? no. P4P is bad for Boxing not good, its good for the fighters though.
I dont have one. Even, if i did i would not tell you, but not because im being an asshole, but because its too argumentative to discuss, and at the end of the day what does it mean? nothing its just one mans opinion. Which everyone is entitled too
Good answer. Truthfully.
I don't, I just go along with what ever people tell me. What's your P4P list? I'm just short of a half a brain.
I dont have one. Even, if i did i would not tell you, but not because im being an asshole, but because its too argumentative to discuss, and at the end of the day what does it mean? nothing its just one mans opinion. Which everyone is entitled too
It means something to the kids who take its seriously. They seem to think its factual. People with half a brain know, its just the media force feeding you what THEY believe.
I have my own opinion.
"The kids"? No, it matters to the FIGHTERS, that's why they are working to be in that position. You won't hear Hatton saying "My goal is to be P4P on Setanta's list", would you?
"The kids" don't matter. And for your information, I am not a kid!
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