What move up in weight do you think is the most successful? The furthest, or the most meaningful.
Also, who do you think could challenge that from todays standards?
Discuss.
The difference between Duran and the others that people mention is that Duran faced the absolute BEST guys at the higher weights. They were also in their primes when he fought SRL, Hearns, Hagler/Barley.
Duran also went against the very best at each division he was in. This is not the case for the others. Pac as great as he is hasn't fought the best at any of the weight classes from 135lbs up.
RJJ only fought Ruiz at HW.
I'm not trying to diss the other guys. Its more like splitting the hairs of greatness. However its needed to show how Duran separates himself from the others.
Also consider Duran turned pro as a SuperBantam Weight/122lbs.
He's only had two fights at 135 and up however. At 135, he won a 'title' in his first fight then fought a substatially bigger guy, on paper. Can't fault him for that. I could understand him taking a couple of fights before fighting the best at the division. ANd at 140, Hatton is THE champion.
The difference between Duran and the others that people mention is that Duran faced the absolute BEST guys at the higher weights. They were also in their primes when he fought SRL, Hearns, Hagler/Barley.
Duran also went against the very best at each division he was in. This is not the case for the others. Pac as great as he is hasn't fought the best at any of the weight classes from 135lbs up.
RJJ only fought Ruiz at HW.
I'm not trying to diss the other guys. Its more like splitting the hairs of greatness. However its needed to show how Duran separates himself from the others.
Also consider Duran turned pro as a SuperBantam Weight/122lbs.
although i like james toney i dnt think he deserves a mention here. he didnt really decide to venture to higher weights. his own lack of dedication to training made that choice for him. if u get wot im sayin??
Very valid point, however he did still have some decent success. Which might be more of an insult to the Heavyweight division. But, it is what it is.
Bob Fitzsimmons was the MW champ and jumped to HW to win the title against Jim Corbett
Michael Spinks became HW champ beating Holmes twice and Tungsted before he ran into Tyson; he was also the undisputed LHW champ
Evander Holyfield undisputed CW champ, two-time linear HW champ, and a 4-time belt-holder
Alexis Arguello was a FW title-holder, 130-lb title-holder, and LW champion. He also fought Aaron Pryor for a piece of the 140-lb championship.
Tell me you didn't think Leonard beat Hagler.... I love Sugar Ray and my heart was broken when Terry Norris beat him to a pulp but I thought Hagler beat him.
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I think Leonard beat Hagler. I'm with Merchant when he says, "Leonard stole the fight fair and square."
As for fighters with the best results moving up that would have to be Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Henry Armstrong, James Toney, Tommy Hearns, Roy Jones Jr, Manny Pacquiao, and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Tell me you didn't think Leonard beat Hagler.... I love Sugar Ray and my heart was broken when Terry Norris beat him to a pulp but I thought Hagler beat him.
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Leonard won that fight. :lol1:
I've watched it and scored it countless times and I never ever had Hagler winning! :wave:
Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Junior
dont mention floyd in the same setance as roy jones.
floyd just picked his way through all the weights avoiding the biggest threats in each division.
Roberto Duran. He moved from LW and won the Middleweight title from Iran Barkley. Not to mention he went the distance against one of the best MW's of all time.
Micael Spinks. He was the first LHW champion to succesfully challenge for the HW title. And he beat the odds and won in a fight where the champion Holmes was supposed to tie the most legendary record in boxing.
Ray Leonard. Moved up to face a champion so dominant that he by many was considered the best middleweight ever. He even had a long lay-off before coming back to defeat the most fearsome of opponents.
And those two fellas won REAL championships. Not some phoney alphabet title.
RJ 4 sho. Toney gets his props. And Holyfield won several HW titles, more than anybody else, had a bunch of great wars, and made his greatest fame as a HW.
Can't believe I forgot Sam Langford.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi was another one who moved from Light Heavyweight, to Crusier, to Heavyweight. James Toney and Roy Jones too.
Georges Carpentier.
The guy started his career as a boy, fighting as low as Bantamweight I believe, moving up as he got older and developed. He won the European Welterweight title, fought for the World Middleweight title, knocked out Ted Lewis for the World Light Heavyweight title, and fought guys like Joe Jeanette and Jack Dempsey as a Heavyweight.
Pretty crazy.
Thinking a bit more current, Roberto Duran and James Toney come to mind.
He also defeated the reigning lightweight champion Sammy Angott in a non-title bout (both weighed 136 lbs).
Robinson could've very well been a 4-division champion (back when there were only 8 divisions around) under different circumstances.
Indeed, that would have been a remarkable feat for those times.
Tommy Hearns, major titles from 147 to 175, won a lightly regarded title at cruiserweight too.