The margarito hand wrap Controversy

yea but even if he had gauze underneath plaster, it would still mess his hand up. exactly what I was trying to explain to some of these idiots

I don't understand how anyone could say that using plaster isn't possible when using it to wrap your hands. He used the kind of plaster that you use for a cast when you break a bone. It's very possible, and it's been done before. What gets me is that not only is it cheating, but it seriously endangers someone's life. I used to be a fan of Margarito's, but now I've lost all respect. How can you respect someone who is willing to cheat like that? Thank God Mosley's trainer caught it before the fight. Margarito deserved that beating, and humiliation. Now I question every win Margarito had before. What about Cotto? Look how badly he was cut up. Now we'll never know. What a shame. yea but even if he had gauze underneath plaster, it would still mess his hand up.

It was a plaster-like substance that hardens when it gets wet.

I don't understand how anyone could say that using plaster isn't possible when using it to wrap your hands. He used the kind of plaster that you use for a cast when you break a bone. It's very possible, and it's been done before. What gets me is that not only is it cheating, but it seriously endangers someone's life. I used to be a fan of Margarito's, but now I've lost all respect. How can you respect someone who is willing to cheat like that? Thank God Mosley's trainer caught it before the fight. Margarito deserved that beating, and humiliation. Now I question every win Margarito had before. What about Cotto? Look how badly he was cut up. Now we'll never know. What a shame.

Read the thread that says "Nazeem says the wraps were deliberate"...its a great read.

Of course plaster has been done before, not only Resto but african boxer Mpofu as well. So there will be a question mark stamped over margo's tko against Cotto. Marg had his moments in the fight but.... nobody saw not even a peck of damage even though he landed good upper cuts nice hooks and straight right hands against Sugar Shane. After the bout just look at Mosley's face and try to find at least a knot.

Of course plaster has been done before, not only Resto but african boxer Mpofu as well. So there will be a question mark stamped over margo's tko against Cotto. Marg had his moments in the fight but.... nobody saw not even a peck of damage even though he landed good upper cuts nice hooks and straight right hands against Sugar Shane. After the bout just look at Mosley's face and try to find at least a knot.:boxing:

You'd think if he really was doin this in all his fights, Marg would have a much higher KO percentage in his wins, and his opponents would all be ruined or permanently injured. This is why I refuse to believe he's made a career habit outta this shit til it's somehow proven unquestionably. Too bad most won't wait so they can form their hateful opinions based on actual facts. Did you know that Luis Resto won by unanimous desicion and not a ko. He had plaster in his wraps and padding removed from his gloves.

All of a sudden HBO is no longer a credible source of information. Care to point out previous occasions where HBO has been wrong my friend? idiotic post of the century! Hbo is not perfect my friend!

You'd think if he really was doin this in all his fights, Marg would have a much higher KO percentage in his wins, and his opponents would all be ruined or permanently injured. This is why I refuse to believe he's made a career habit outta this shit til it's somehow proven unquestionably. Too bad most won't wait so they can form their hateful opinions based on actual facts. I wonder ....if.... since most everyone is speculating anyway. I offer scenerio B, which doesn't forgive any cheating, but offers a mentality excuse. What if margarito had never done this before, his wins are all legit. However he's now a star, and he's fighting against a guy who's never been knocked out, and someone very influential in his life comes up to him and says "if you beat shane mosely you prove nothing, he's old, on his way out. You need to knock this guy out, to remain a marketable fighter" seems far fetched i know, but we don't have details now, and i will remain a margarito fan until i get enough details that i can make an educated decision.

What is there about those videos that proves your point? Merchant criticizing Floyd? Roy Jones and Merchant bickering? What am I missing? no dumass, thats times when hbo was clearly wrong.

All of a sudden HBO is no longer a credible source of information. Care to point out previous occasions where HBO has been wrong my friend? Lets not forget everytime they try to accuse mayweather of lying about his hands and try to make good fighters sound like shit for example mayweather

I think it is in fact you.. who doesn't know what he is talking about.. This sort of stuff has been done since the beginning of modern boxing.. everything from rolls of coins to plaster of paris.. ok but do you have proof that margarito cemented/plastered his handwraps? you just hear shit and believe it right away

You'd think if he really was doin this in all his fights, Marg would have a much higher KO percentage in his wins, and his opponents would all be ruined or permanently injured. This is why I refuse to believe he's made a career habit outta this shit til it's somehow proven unquestionably. Too bad most won't wait so they can form their hateful opinions based on actual facts.exactly! most of these idiots on here are so stupid they would believe anything anyone on hbo says, I mean ppl on here expect you to hate someone as soon as there accused of anything. If jim lamply said mayweather is goona go heavyweight, most of the douch bags in here would believe it!

i think he started using it after the williams fight i agree, if he was inclined to use it, it was after the williams fight when williams stole his thunder.

Exactly, Margarito is not exactly known for his one punch KO, and besides people are saying that the reason why he starts to swing in the mid rounds is due to the hardened doctored wraps... what about Golden Schlong, Hercules Kyvelos, Gomez, and a few other dudes who got KO'd in less than 3 rounds? those guys were bums. its a big difference.

This is just overhyped! No way would a fighters hands be able to survive cement/plaster! For you that have boxed before you know what im talking about! Its just not possible! Either your hand is goona break or your hand is goona be so cut up its goona bleed through the gloves by the 2nd round. You guys are morons to believe that someone would actually fight with cement in their wraps under 8oz gloves, seriously I thought some of you guys on here had more common sense. I think it is in fact you.. who doesn't know what he is talking about.. This sort of stuff has been done since the beginning of modern boxing.. everything from rolls of coins to plaster of paris..

You'd think if he really was doin this in all his fights, Marg would have a much higher KO percentage in his wins, and his opponents would all be ruined or permanently injured. This is why I refuse to believe he's made a career habit outta this shit til it's somehow proven unquestionably. Too bad most won't wait so they can form their hateful opinions based on actual facts.

Luis Resto adds another sad chapter to 25-year-old boxing scandal This is just overhyped! No way would a fighters hands be able to survive cement/plaster! For you that have boxed before you know what im talking about! Its just not possible! Either your hand is goona break or your hand is goona be so cut up its goona bleed through the gloves by the 2nd round. You guys are morons to believe that someone would actually fight with cement in their wraps under 8oz gloves, seriously I thought some of you guys on here had more common sense. Luis Resto and his trainer Panama Lewis removed the padding from his boxing gloves before he fought Billy Collins, Jr. at Madison Square Garden 25 years ago. Resto beat Collins to a pulp. Resto and Lewis were subsequently convicted and served time for their crime. Collins suffered from blurry vision and depression after the fight. Nine months after the fight Collins died in a car crash near his home in Nashville that some believe was no accident. Resto added another heinous chapter to that sad story on Thursday when he admitted that Lewis also put plaster on the tape over his knuckles, encasing his fists in a cast inside of the gloves with the pad removed. "It was like a bare knuckle fight," said Eric Drath, the director of a documentary about the fight and the scandal entitled "Cornered." Resto sat at a small table at Jack Demsey's in Manhattan on Thursday afternoon between a poster advertising the documentary and a poster-sized black and white photo of Collins' face - his eyes blackened and swollen shut - taken after the fight. In soft tones Resto, a once-promising welterweight from the Bronx, expressed regret for what happened. But he still seemed confused why he was banned from boxing 24 years ago. Drath, who befriended Resto during the filming, apparently coaxed him to come clean. As a result of the new information regarding the tape, Andrea Collins-Nile, Collins widow, has filed a motion with the Federal Court in Albany to re-open the case against New York State. A civil trial in the matter resulted in a hung jury and the case in the Federal Court of Claims against the State of New York was dismissed by a judge. "Ultimately I'm not Resto's judge," Collins-Nile said. "The boxing commission was negligent. They were there to protect my ex-husband and they did not." Billy Collins, Sr., who trained his son, discovered that the gloves had the padding removed after he went over to shake Resto's hand after the fight. Collins became upset and screamed that there was no padding in the gloves. The gloves were confiscated in the dressing room by the New York commission that night. Mark Thompson, the lawyer representing the Collins estate, said he is hoping that the doctored hand wraps will prompt a judge to let the case against New York go forward. Thompson said the hand wraps were not in question during the first trials, because the focus was on the gloves. Oddly enough Resto was allowed to take the hand wraps with him that night. Drath said Resto thinks he has the hand wraps in some other boxing memorabilia at a relative's home. If a judge grants the motion for a new trial, Resto will be at the center of Thompson's case. Thompson said Resto has no motive to lie, because he does not benefit financially from the success of the documentary. Thompson said an inspector at the time, Patsy Giovanelli, signed off on the gloves even though he wasn't present when Resto's hands were wrapped and the gloves were put on. Inspectors didn't have to be present for those things, but they were responsible for making sure the gloves hadn't been tampered with. Resto and Lewis did their dirty work out of view of the commission and no one re-checked to make sure that things were above board with the gloves. Resto said he made the admission because he wanted to unburden himself. "Yes, I feel better," he said when asked if he was glad he finally told the truth. Resto said Lewis had applied plaster to the tape in his hand wraps in two other fights. But he said he couldn't recall which fights. He never protested the use of the plaster. "I said let's go ahead and do it," Resto said. ....Lefty

Hey dimwitt, it's been done before on various occassions.