'Weight Drained' and 'Past Prime'

True, but Freddie was the one that said he took the fight because "Oscar couldn't pull the trigger." And was this all to it for Pac: Pac lost by KO twice; the end? Maybe. What about Pacquiao resume >>>> Mayweather resume.. end...

Although I respect the thread creators point, I do feel that it's necessary sometimes to 'qualify' a victory. For example, consider these fights: Hatton's KO of Castillo- Castillo was clearly showing signs of being a 'shot' fighter and was easily knocked out by the much fresher Hatton. This was a very impressive win by Hatton but against a very limited opponent. Larry Holmes TKO of Muhammad Ali- Ali was also very much past his prime and was even starting to show signs of Parkinson's disease before the fight, when he fought Larry Holmes. Larry Holmes doesn't get much credit for this fight because of the aforementioned reasons.

You guys are hilarious. Why can't a guy just lose anymore ? Weight drained and past prime are victim statements. A loss is a loss is a loss at the end of the day, and regardless of what anyone wants to argue, weight drained and past prime are not documented in the record books. If people were only concerned about what was written in the record books, this forum would not exist.

You guys are hilarious. Why can't a guy just lose anymore ? Weight drained and past prime are victim statements. A loss is a loss is a loss at the end of the day, and regardless of what anyone wants to argue, weight drained and past prime are not documented in the record books. so many sore losers and hypocrits on these boards.

Exactly. And neither is Oscar. Had Oscar been through some major wars since he fought Forbes and taken huge amounts of punishment, there is a good chance he could be shot. Of course fighters become shot, but not within months and for no reason at all. They become shot from taking serious amounts of damage. My problem is with the people who throw the word "shot" around without considering what they are even saying. They think they can say a fighter is shot after losing only one fight and try to convince everyone else that this settles their argument. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

Another clueless moron. Re-read the thread and try to comprehend it in your 18 year old golf ball sized brain. Does a loss to a fighter equal automatic inferiority ? Fighters, like any other athlete, have bad days. They win, and they lose. When two fighters fight, they are not fighting to see who the better fighter is for life, they are fighting to figure out the best on the night of the fight. This is true. I understand the thread; I think. At the end of the day, after the investigation, if everything is cleared as "OK," then it's a matter of just saying, "Fighter A lost to "Fighter B" because he was the better boxer. There is an interesting story in all this. Foreman said he thought that Frazier was ready to be taken based on what he saw in the Ali vs. Frazier fight. He said Frazier shook his head on Ali's chest towards the end of the fight and he {George} knew right then and there that Frazier just past his peak because Joe accomplished what he set out to do: Beat the Butterfly. After that I guess, it was all gravy. Now, we can say Frazier was no longer at his peak Mentally, which can have its affect physically on the person when they train, but how many would say it would have mattered in this case going up against George? Maybe it would have, but I wouldn't have favored it. Then you have a case like Tyson vs. Douglas. Tyson's peak is said to have ended with Spinks. Even though he was mentally ****ed up for a while, he was still able to stay motivated to finish off what he was set out to do: to leave no question that he was the unified HW Champion. After that, he fell apart by making the wrong choices and not being motivated any longer. Of course, he didn't finish the entire goal set for him, but...whatever. Tyson vs. Douglas: Tyson used no excuses afterwards other than what King was trying to pull, but with all the talk, rumors, and inside information that was leaking before and after, would everybody agree that that was the best Tyson we have seen? Was Douglas really just the better fighter? For that night he was. It would have been interesting to have seen the rematch even if Tyson didn't get back with Rooney. Tyson seemed at least re-motivated to a degree to regain the title. Then, look at what happened to Douglas right after he lost his motivation. He showed up out of shape against Holyfield.

thats right, no excuses: hector camacho>ray leonard midgeon singsurat>manny pacquiao victor lozoya>antonio margarito TRUE STORY Another clueless moron. Re-read the thread and try to comprehend it in your 18 year old golf ball sized brain. Does a loss to a fighter equal automatic inferiority ? Fighters, like any other athlete, have bad days. They win, and they lose. When two fighters fight, they are not fighting to see who the better fighter is for life, they are fighting to figure out the best on the night of the fight.

this thread reminds me of this: You can watch the whole thing or just listen to 1:08 boxers are simple people, except for larry lmao..................

This thread reminds me of this: You can watch the whole thing or just listen to 1:08 Boxers are simple people, except for Larry

thats right, no excuses: hector camacho>ray leonard midgeon singsurat>manny pacquiao victor lozoya>antonio margarito TRUE STORY

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right? See the post below. And if it was such a dumb thread, why didn't you just use your browser's magic back button ? Lame. Exactly. Never new how many simpletons there were on this website. Boxing is an individual and Physical "sport". If you are old, you have a disadvatange. If you are struggling to make the weight, you have a disadvantage. Fact. This is not Snooker or something where you can get away with these kinds of things You seem to be one of these 'simpletons' you speak of yourself. Old age, sure can have its disadvantages, but usually an older fighter is a more experienced one. Someone struggling to make weight is usually going to be the naturally bigger fighter, if he can make weight, then he's got the definite advantage. You seemed to have missed the entire point of the thread. It seems as if every loss for (your favorite fighter's name here) is justified by either him being too weight drained, or past his prime. There are always going to be coincidentals with every fighter, in every fight. People need to just man up and take their losses graciously.

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right? Exactly. Never new how many simpletons there were on this website. Boxing is an individual and Physical "sport". If you are old, you have a disadvatange. If you are struggling to make the weight, you have a disadvantage. Fact. This is not Snooker or something where you can get away with these kinds of things

Dumb thread then i guess Rocky beat joe louis so u ppl need to stop saying rocky never beat anyone great right?

Hopkins is still a good boxer, but he was way way passed his prime at 43. If you think otherwise, you seriously have some intelligence issues. At 43, you are often phyically as strong as say between 20-30. A Loss is treated pretty harshly by most "Fans". Many only taka fighter once they lose, since that's when the guy shows his true colours. I rather see the boxer lose, than to duck and dodge fighters like and treat a loss like a bullet.

When cats dislike a fighter they'll make any excuse they can to shit on his victories. Pretty simple.

There are always going to be issues with every fight. The only objective way to look at the outcome of a fight is to disregard them. Sure, Manny got KO'd twice. Then went on to have an illustrious career. I think too many people feel that a loss is the end all be all of a fighters career and credibility. This is simply not the case. A lot of fighter's greatests moments have come after a devestating loss. I personally think it brings out the best in some people.

Benny must be in love w/ Freddie or Freddie must've sodomized Benny's sister. This guy can't lay off the guy's nuts for a second, he's his main argument for every thing. How convenient. He's trying to do some reverse psychology and justify Floyd Sr.'s comment regarding Pac-DLH and discrediting Pac's win because somehow he feels Pac's win over DLH overshadows Floyd's. LOL! :D

I think, as was mentioned in other threads, that Oscar was trying to prove he could easily make 147 again after so many years, and still perform at his best. In his mind, he probably believed he would be even faster and lighter on his feet. Who knows what was really going on behind the scenes? He could have just postponed the fight, and claimed an injury in training to make the proper adjustments, but chose to "go on with the show" being that Christmas was quickly approaching. As the promoter, he may have wanted to end the year in spectacular fashion, and given the fans a FOTY. But somewhere along the way the script was flipped and only Manny looked great doing it.

Benny must be in love w/ Freddie or Freddie must've sodomized Benny's sister. This guy can't lay off the guy's nuts for a second, he's his main argument for every thing. How convenient.

For me Koysta Tszyu was never the same after the Phillips fight, though in a way i saw the old Tszyu in the 2nd Mitchell fight. The first Mitchell fight is very under rated and was entertaining and Mitchell deserves credit for his performance in that fight.