I mean lets take a fight by fight approach............
Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, and Julio Cesar Chavez were ALL past their Primes and had each been in numerous battles before fighting a YOUNG De La Hoya......................in their primes I think De La Hoya would beat a Camacho but not a Whitaker or Chavez.
I've watched the Ike Quartey fight numerous times and my scores differ each time, but EVERY single time I watch that fight I have Ike winning.......Las Vegas was a HUGE De La Hoya NUTHUGGER
The Felix Trinidad fight is a toss up. Watching the fight live I first thought De La Hoya had won. As I rewatched the numerous times the best I conclude that the best decision for Oscar would have been a DRAW. I also concluded majority of the time I had Tito winning..............Now if Oscar didn't let up on the last couple of rounds he would have won in my opinion, needless to say he did therefore he lost.
After that its all downhill.........he win a OVERRATED, UN-INSPIRED Fernando Vargas, a Arturio Gatti who was 1. in a weight class he couldn't handle & 2. Never really an elite fight, just a really, really exciting one the fans loved, Javier Castillejo and Ramon Campas.....WHO????? then he loses 4 of his next 7 (5 of his next 7 because he lost to Strum in my opinion)
In conclusion Oscar De La Hoya was a really good fighter, but was he GREAT, as they are making him out to be. I truely believe his greatness is overrated.....
After having just turned 24, Oscar De la Hoya was 24-0(20KO's), a former super featherweight titlist, former lightweight champion, former light welterweight linear champion, current welterweight linear champion.....victories over whitaker, chavez, Leija, Hernandez,Ruelas, Molina, Paez, Gonzalez................AND RANKED P4P #1...
Hard to find a recent fighter who has been able to do close to that in so little time....
people like to forget...
Very true, people definetily jump to the who is hot right now. It is a good way to tell who really knows what they are talking about though.
After having just turned 24, Oscar De la Hoya was 24-0(20KO's), a former super featherweight titlist, former lightweight champion, former light welterweight linear champion, current welterweight linear champion.....victories over whitaker, chavez, Leija, Hernandez,Ruelas, Molina, Paez, Gonzalez................AND RANKED P4P #1...
Hard to find a recent fighter who has been able to do close to that in so little time....
people like to forget...
Let 'em know son, let 'em know.
After having just turned 24, Oscar De la Hoya was 24-0(20KO's), a former super featherweight titlist, former lightweight champion, former light welterweight linear champion, current welterweight linear champion.....victories over whitaker, chavez, Leija, Hernandez,Ruelas, Molina, Paez, Gonzalez................AND RANKED P4P #1...
Hard to find a recent fighter who has been able to do close to that in so little time....
people like to forget...
oscar beat everybody easily until tito
imo he beat a PRIME tito 8-4 in a brilliant clinic.... but i can see up to 6-6 no way tito wins.
mosley 1 he lost - barely
mosley 2 - he won against a juicer
beat a juiced up prime vargas.
beat a prime quartey in round 12
closely won/draw/lost to sturm at middleweight
put up a good effort at least vs b-hops at middle
beat mayorga (nothing)
lost a close fight to floyd
after that he has been SHOT.
but no wasnt always overrated
add to that:
Beat undefeated Ruelas who was favored at 135
Beat 2 division undefeated m. Angel gonzalez at 140
Made undefeated Chicanito hernadez quit , 3 yrs before Floyd mayweather.
Sturm fight was a loss, but the Tito fight and Mosley rematch were firm WINS.
Oscar is not overrated by any stretch.
Yes, slightly over rated. Good fighter, not as great as some say.
Bingo!
Definitely not great by any means. So he faced alot of names, big deal.
He lost most of them. Even some of the ones he "won".
dlh may have lost to every great fighter he fought, but he was still a great fighter himself... a really good fighter is like vargas, judah, etc...
dlh was competitive against great fighters but always found a way to lose....
DLH has never been decisively beaten except for pac and hopkins
biches
Ya I must agree with that one
he hasnt been a fighter since the hopkins ko
He came back from the Hopkins loss to destroy Ricardo Mayorga! Plenty said that De La Hoya was past it, and Mayorga could end his career before that fight, and although Mayorga has obvious limitations it was still an excellent performance from Oscar.
I'm not going to make comparisons regarding greatness, but De La Hoya is (or perhaps was) a great fighter.
He always fought the best, he took on everyone he possibly could. If he was overrated, he would have been blown out by all of them. He wasnt blown out ever in his career until last saturday when he was 35
dlh may have lost to every great fighter he fought, but he was still a great fighter himself... a really good fighter is like vargas, judah, etc...
dlh was competitive against great fighters but always found a way to lose....
DLH has never been decisively beaten except for pac and hopkins
biches
Yes, slightly over rated. Good fighter, not as great as some say.
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oscar beat everybody easily until tito
imo he beat a PRIME tito 8-4 in a brilliant clinic.... but i can see up to 6-6 no way tito wins.
mosley 1 he lost - barely
mosley 2 - he won against a juicer
beat a juiced up prime vargas.
beat a prime quartey in round 12
closely won/draw/lost to sturm at middleweight
put up a good effort at least vs b-hops at middle
beat mayorga (nothing)
lost a close fight to floyd
after that he has been SHOT.
but no wasnt always overrated
Please get off BoxRec and actually watch those fights.......maybe he drew against Strum, MAYBE, but he lost the Ike fight
oscar beat everybody easily until tito
imo he beat a PRIME tito 8-4 in a brilliant clinic.... but i can see up to 6-6 no way tito wins.
mosley 1 he lost - barely
mosley 2 - he won against a juicer
beat a juiced up prime vargas.
beat a prime quartey in round 12
closely won/draw/lost to sturm at middleweight
put up a good effort at least vs b-hops at middle
beat mayorga (nothing)
lost a close fight to floyd
after that he has been SHOT.
but no wasnt always overrated
Share the same thoughs but when Dundee compares him to Ali and everyone talking all time GREAT................come on, when it comes to star power and the amount of money generated yes he is ALL Time Great but if we're talking pure boxing..................
I don't think anybody in their right mind could put Oscar on the top 10, top 20, or top 30 ATG's list. But I think he deserves a nod in the top 50 somewhere.
Angelo is insane for comparing him to Muhammad though. It's almost as if the man has forgotten how amazing Ali was when he had him.
I agree, Oscar completely stopped fighting against Tito. But that doesn't change the fact that he embarassed Tito for the first 8 rounds, and coasted the last 4. The worst the decision could've been was 116-112 De La Hoya.
Perhaps his greatness is overrated a bit, because of the star power, mega-millions, and big name. But he still deserves a spot on the list of the top 100 ATG's IMO.
And he should've gotten the nod in the second Mosley fight as well by my estimation.
He's come up short a few times and he's been given hell for it his entire career. Though ever since the Hopkins loss he's basically been a second stringer IMO.
Share the same thoughs but when Dundee compares him to Ali and everyone talking all time GREAT................come on, when it comes to star power and the amount of money generated yes he is ALL Time Great but if we're talking pure boxing..................
Bringer he stopped fighting, I mean he just stopped fight the last couple of rounds. Again I'm not saying he is a bad fighter or he was a bum, I'm just asking if his GREATNESS has been overrated? Oscar was great and he is one idols as well for his willingness to fight all comers but at the same time be a successful business man
I agree, Oscar completely stopped fighting against Tito. But that doesn't change the fact that he embarassed Tito for the first 8 rounds, and coasted the last 4. The worst the decision could've been was 116-112 De La Hoya.
Perhaps his greatness is overrated a bit, because of the star power, mega-millions, and big name. But he still deserves a spot on the list of the top 100 ATG's IMO.
And he should've gotten the nod in the second Mosley fight as well by my estimation.
He's come up short a few times and he's been given hell for it his entire career. Though ever since the Hopkins loss he's basically been a second stringer IMO.
I don't like it when people try to play the role of revisionist historian once a fighter falls off the cliff at the end of his career. So I'm not really going to say much here.
All I will say is that Oscar was always an amazing fighter with tremendous talents, who got an awful lot of slack for coming up short in a few of his biggest fights, and blatantly ripped off in one of them. (Tito).
Bringer he stopped fighting, I mean he just stopped fight the last couple of rounds. Again I'm not saying he is a bad fighter or he was a bum, I'm just asking if his GREATNESS has been overrated? Oscar was great and he is one idols as well for his willingness to fight all comers but at the same time be a successful business man