Who have you got at #2 p4p?

Marquez, easily

Boxrec has Hopkins at number two, guess Ill go with them. Yeah, boxrec's ranking systems are usually pretty spot on.

sorry bro, but if pac takes on all comers as you say, why doesn't he fight casamayor, diaz or guzman who have been calling him out for a minute. . and what the hell do you mean jmm is a copy cat? he moved up to LW to CHASE A REMATCH with pac, jmm would fight him at HW if he had to. and for the record, a washed-up casamayor is still a dangerous fighter, stylistically a bad matchup for anyone washed-up casa >>>>> prime david diaz :smashfrea pac's got bigger fish to fry... you think hatton can't beat casamayor, diaz and guzman? JMM should clear out 135 and then give pac a call.

I'm done with this thread, my 5 year old cousin sounds more mature than some of you. Probably a fair call.

I'm done with this thread, my 5 year old cousin sounds more mature than some of you. dont quit the thread like calzaghe quit boxing. you have yet to accomplish anything.

I got Chad Dawson at #2, unless Calzaghe comes out of retirement. I don't feel there is enough money on the table to bring the Welsman back at this time so I beleive Calzaghe will take a break for some time, maybe retire for good.

Calzaghe is a joke barely getting past a 43 yr old hopkins and not KTFOing a shot RJJ and getting dropped twice in the process can't compare to JMM... Calz resume is garbage.

It still goes down in the history books as a win. yea good motto. just look at the books and we will see who the greatest fighters are. joe calzaghe, sven ottke, and zsolt erdei. its settled cause they have never lost.

Calzaghe by a mile.

How about: Calzaghe has been the lineal champion in 2 weight divisions, Marquez has been the lineal champion in 0 divisions?. How about: Calzaghe has beaten a top 10 ranked pound for pound fighter?. How about: Calzaghe has been an unidsputed champion in a division?. How about: Calzaghe holding a World title for over 10 years with 21 title defences?. I think there is at least "one logical arguement" there mate. if he was undisputed how come he only had 3 out of the 4 belts? i'd call that disputed. nice try though . how about the ibf stripped him and rightfully so for fighting an unworthy challenger named manfredo. hopkins a real fighter had all 4 belts but calzaghe never did.

not surprising coming from a pinoy....jmm jumped up to LW and fought the champion casamayor, he couldve taken an easy fight if he wanted to but he went straight to him, thats taking a big risk. manny on the other hand, went up to test the waters with david diaz, a fighter who to paraphrase jim lampley "was a fighter we all knew he could beat". now take their two fights, the first a draw who alot of people thought jmm won, and their second, a razor thin SD that alot of people thought jmm won. people make out manny to be invincible but the fact of the matter is, he's not. jmm has made the P4P #1 fighter in the world look foolish at times. lol, look who's talking? how can you say pac didn't take a risk fighting the bigger diaz and odlh. fight after fight, pacman has been fighting the bigger fights out there. the way i look at it jmm is only a second fiddle to pacman. he follows and copies what pacquiao does. do you seriously think that jmm is man enough is man enough to test the water first before pacman. i seriously doubt that. the reaon why pacman is ATG is because he takes on all comers and beat them no matter how the odds are stacked against him. jmm win over a washed up and old casa wouldn't have happened had pacquiao didn't show the way to jmm and nacho. they are nothing but 2nd rate, trying hard copy cats. (pinoys know where this line came from, lol) jmm will never reached what pacman has accomplished.

How about: Calzaghe has been the lineal champion in 2 weight divisions, Marquez has been the lineal champion in 0 divisions?. How about: Calzaghe has beaten a top 10 ranked pound for pound fighter?. How about: Calzaghe has been an unidsputed champion in a division?. How about: Calzaghe holding a World title for over 10 years with 21 title defences?. I think there is at least "one logical arguement" there mate. are you talking about hopkins? i'd hardly say he beat him as most people think he lost that fight just like most people think marquez beat pac. unless manfredo was in the top 10 was he? brutallllllllllllll ko

How about: Calzaghe has been the lineal champion in 2 weight divisions, Marquez has been the lineal champion in 0 divisions?. How about: Calzaghe has beaten a top 10 ranked pound for pound fighter?. How about: Calzaghe has been an unidsputed champion in a division?. How about: Calzaghe holding a World title for over 10 years with 21 title defences?. I think there is at least "one logical arguement" there mate. but zsolt erdei is the lineal champ at light heavy and does 168 even have any lineage its a poser division that was just started so people could hide away.

How about: Calzaghe has been the lineal champion in 2 weight divisions, Marquez has been the lineal champion in 0 divisions?. How about: Calzaghe has beaten a top 10 ranked pound for pound fighter?. How about: Calzaghe has been an unidsputed champion in a division?. How about: Calzaghe holding a World title for over 10 years with 21 title defences?. I think there is at least "one logical arguement" there mate. sven ottke had 21 title defenses too and he did it with a real world title not the wbo. reality is a much nicer place to live in then your world with calzaghe posters on the wall.

i'll take a 2 division undisputed undefeated champion with great names on his resume over.............. a guy who fame is recognized by fighting pacquiao losing to him and losing to chris john.with 4 or 5 losses and his career highlight is beating joel casamayor. marzquez has skills no doubt but its ridiculous to have it number 2 because his history with pacquiao.

How about: Marquez has lost 4 fights, Calzaghe has lost 0?. Logic tells me that means his wins aren't anywhere near as good. Pacman also has 3 losses.

Still JMM. Joe C won big over RJ but tht wasn't enuf for him to leapfrog JMM imo.

The Welshman Joe Calzaghe

JoeC is p4p no.2.

marquez.........