MAYWEATHER: WHY HE IS THE BEST EVER AT 130!! Here is the (History)

This thread is homer-ific. it is huh...:cool2:

I had to straight the record straight........ Mayweather is the greatest yatch remodeler that ever lived.

This thread is homer-ific.

now we got horus quoting himself again I had to straight the record straight........

Mayweather is Considered the Greatest Ever at 130 by almost everybody. Boxrec.com Has also RATED Mayweather the TOP 130 Pounder Ever Too: http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Super+Featherweight&status=E&SUBMIT=Go HERE IS WHY ALMOST EVERYBODY CONSIDERS MAYWEATHER THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER AT 130: Mayweather clean out 130. 130: Super Featherweight The Top Four Recognized Fighters Were: Genaro Hernandez Angel Manfredy Roberto Garcia Diego Corrales At Mayweather First Division at 130,He Dominated the Division. He was Knocking out all top Contenders. To the Point that after only 2 years turning PRO He was ranked 8th On the P4P List and Number 1 in his Division http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1998 He Fought Genaro Hernandez who was 38-1-1 2 time World Champion. And The Reigning WBC world Champion. And The Ring Magazine Recognize World Champion of The Division.Who only Lost came from Oscar De La Hoya in which Oscar broke his in several places. .Which Happen 3 years Earlier In that Fight Floyd Dominated the Recognize Champion at 130. and Officially Became The WBC world Champion at 21 years old and 17 fights. ... not no international or state or any other bullshit title, but The Official Recognize WBC world Champion at 21 years old. And Now Recognize as The Ring Magazine number # 1 fighter in the division at 21 years old and #8 on P4P list out of all the fighters in the world. His Next Fight right After that Fight,Mayweather beat the guy who was RANKED number #4 ( Angel Manfredy) , And In that fight Mayweather Knocks Him Out in the 2nd.Round. Now Mayweather had now beaten 2 out of the top 4 fighters in the 130 division. all before the age Of 22.And the 3rd of those 4 fighters was (Roberto Garcia who was 31-0 with 23 Knock Outs.) And Floyd was about to fight Roberto Garcia, but Roberto Garcia decided to fight Knock Out Artist and Another P4P Phenomenal fighter in Diego Corrales.. Who out of 33 fights to that Point. only 5 fighters didnt get Knock Out. Roberto Garcia was knock out in the 7th Round by Corrales. Now Instead of Floyd Fighting Roberto Garica, he nows finds himself in the position of fighting the #5 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the sport, and then #1 fighter at 130...Diego Corrales. and In that Fight Floyd was a 2 to 1 Underdog, to not only lose to Corrales.But to get Knock out. Floyd fights Corrales, The #5 P4P fighter in the sport and #1 fighter in the division, and in the fight compellingly outclassed and Knocks out Diego Corrales in a 10 round 1 sided fight. After that Floyd Completely Clean out the 130 Division with 8 title defenses, with 6 of those fights ending in Knock out. Floyd at 130 now can not get a big name fighter to fight him from Featherweight to Lightweight. NOBODY..and when big name fighters did get approach about fighting Mayweather, they either demand a 55-45 split, or didnt return the call. So Floyd started calling out all the big names Shane Mosely, Oscar De La Hoya, everybody. But Nobody wanted to fight. So instead of staying at 130 where no other big names will fight him at. He moves Up. And his first fight was against the number # 1 guy at 135 JLC. Say no more...

He has to be up there though. I mean who else, Arguello and Elorde, then who else? I mean Azumah Nelson's best work was at 126. No it wasn't. Nelson was certainly at his peak from '87 (around the time he defeated Villesana) to '92 or '93. He was at the top physically and his boxing skills had caught up to his imposing physicality. It seemed to me that he started to slip a little after '94. Mario Martinez Calvin Grove Jeff Fenech James Leija Gabe Ruelas Juan LaPorte Nelson certainly has a legitimate claim here. His opposition at 130 was very good. Many of these guys he faced twice, and he always was better in rematches. I think Floyd, Chavez Sr., Arguello, Elorde and Nelson are all right around the same ballpark here.

Mayweather is Considered the Greatest Ever at 130 by almost everybody. Boxrec.com Has also RATED Mayweather the TOP 130 Pounder Ever Too: http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Super+Featherweight&status=E&SUBMIT=Go HERE IS WHY ALMOST EVERYBODY CONSIDERS MAYWEATHER THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER AT 130: Mayweather clean out 130. 130: Super Featherweight The Top Four Recognized Fighters Were: Genaro Hernandez Angel Manfredy Roberto Garcia Diego Corrales At Mayweather First Division at 130,He Dominated the Division. He was Knocking out all top Contenders. To the Point that after only 2 years turning PRO He was ranked 8th On the P4P List and Number 1 in his Division http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1998 He Fought Genaro Hernandez who was 38-1-1 2 time World Champion. And The Reigning WBC world Champion. And The Ring Magazine Recognize World Champion of The Division.Who only Lost came from Oscar De La Hoya in which Oscar broke his in several places. .Which Happen 3 years Earlier In that Fight Floyd Dominated the Recognize Champion at 130. and Officially Became The WBC world Champion at 21 years old and 17 fights. ... not no international or state or any other bullshit title, but The Official Recognize WBC world Champion at 21 years old. And Now Recognize as The Ring Magazine number # 1 fighter in the division at 21 years old and #8 on P4P list out of all the fighters in the world. His Next Fight right After that Fight,Mayweather beat the guy who was RANKED number #4 ( Angel Manfredy) , And In that fight Mayweather Knocks Him Out in the 2nd.Round. Now Mayweather had now beaten 2 out of the top 4 fighters in the 130 division. all before the age Of 22.And the 3rd of those 4 fighters was (Roberto Garcia who was 31-0 with 23 Knock Outs.) And Floyd was about to fight Roberto Garcia, but Roberto Garcia decided to fight Knock Out Artist and Another P4P Phenomenal fighter in Diego Corrales.. Who out of 33 fights to that Point. only 5 fighters didnt get Knock Out. Roberto Garcia was knock out in the 7th Round by Corrales. Now Instead of Floyd Fighting Roberto Garica, he nows finds himself in the position of fighting the #5 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the sport, and then #1 fighter at 130...Diego Corrales. and In that Fight Floyd was a 2 to 1 Underdog, to not only lose to Corrales.But to get Knock out. Floyd fights Corrales, The #5 P4P fighter in the sport and #1 fighter in the division, and in the fight compellingly outclassed and Knocks out Diego Corrales in a 10 round 1 sided fight. After that Floyd Completely Clean out the 130 Division with 8 title defenses, with 6 of those fights ending in Knock out. Floyd at 130 now can not get a big name fighter to fight him from Featherweight to Lightweight. NOBODY..and when big name fighters did get approach about fighting Mayweather, they either demand a 55-45 split, or didnt return the call. So Floyd started calling out all the big names Shane Mosely, Oscar De La Hoya, everybody. But Nobody wanted to fight. So instead of staying at 130 where no other big names will fight him at. He moves Up. And his first fight was against the number # 1 guy at 135 JLC. I am bumping this thread, because I think so people really believe mayweather didnt clear out 130.....

For the record I feel the same on certain shit, I hate when people be like "Roy Jones didn't fight nobody" and they don't even know the opponents names, they just see that they didn't do shit to Roy and start spewing stupidity.. THAT is something I definitely wasn't doing, you're correct on how I was looking at it, I looked at it in a overall manner therefore overshadowing those who in THAT here and now were really good fighters. this I understand, see as opposed to those whom talk shit and rant when they've been corrected I keep it real, but don't think I didn't know what you meant though, I looked to it in an overall aspect because Diego is gone but truth be told he fought mad good n1ggaz I just pointed out the mega stars, Chico will always be 1 of my favorite fighters dogz that candle burns for him and all true fighters like Levander Johnson who put it all on the line, they gave boxing fans some good ones.. back to the original point though, this all started about Mayweather and Cotto.. I believe you asked me how do I rate fighters? well lets see.. (Ima take a page out ya college boy book for a second and write some neat shit) Step 1 - Build Momentum - Face a string of lesser fighters to boost your confidence and advance your record Step 2 - Climb The Ranks - Once you've beaten a certain amount of lesser opponents, depending on how you're progressing, step it up and climb the ranks, look to face other undefeated fighters and solid opponents. Step 3 - Top Of The Ladder - fight the TOP people in your division, go for world titles, win and DEFEND them too. Fight the BEST opposition and the fights the FANS want to see (get my drift here?). this is a level in Boxing that once you reach it you just gotta do this for as long as life lets you. Step 4 - Retirement - Manage ya money well and prepare for retirement, start picking only the fights the people want to see, no more in between bouts just 1 or 2 more and you gone, this is the stage for that. ..Cotto has been consistent with BOTH mines and your assessment. he has been fighting past or present world champions since fighting Justin Jukko. he has continued to do so even in losing recently because he lost to someone that other people would have lost to but didn't have the heart to face, this is part of Boxing, giving the fans the fights they want to see because it is them who pay for the whole brigade and without them no one makes no money, companies close down.. Cotto is definitely winning titles, you can't say he isn't. he defends his title too unlike others and he's been consistent with giving the fans good fights against solid opponents, fan favorites in their own right.. but yo you still didn't answer me this, HOW DID YOU SCORE MAYWEATHER-CASTILLO I? I want to see if you truly are neutral or if you're going to call a bigger robbery than De La Hoya-Quartey a good call. ..also what I meant with that whole A+ and C+ fighter thing is that I consider Mosley at least an A fighter if not a + with it and when he fought Cotto it was for a vacant title, correct? but Carlos Baldomir, whom I consider a C+ fighter was Welterweight champion and Floyd fought him for his belts. I was just wondering which one do you respect more? you've already said "I will say that fighting a A+ fighter is way better than Fighting a C fighter anyday" so you acknowledge THAT much. Floyd could have fought Shane too at that time, what stopped him? see what I'm saying? when Floyd fought Baldomir it was like a retarded kid who has a big cookie and the bully came to take it away and he ACTUALLY gets more respect than someone who faces an EQUAL opponent or a vacant title??

Crillz Once you give me your standard of rating fighters.. I will go into detail about why I judge Cotto the way I do. Historically

yo I know this post is long but I hope you read it because I took my time in breaking down many FACTS all to hopefully enlighten you, you seem like a knowledgeable person, insults aside.. 100 Unlike Most Posters on here, I am a avid reader, and I do not mind reading long post. I am a college graduate with a B.S in Business Administration, and a B.A Sociology/Administrative Studies And I am currently a Part time student at USC. I am not some genius or anything, but I am far from your typical internet form poster. Most of my time on here is at work, where I sit at a desk all day looking at contracts,future products, and other boring shit. I just turn 23 years old, So I am still at a age where I find myself playing PS3 online, and following boxing, football, and basketball with the passion of 53 year old stay at home with parents still fan. With that Said I will admit I am still highly goofy, and I look to talk shit with all my friends. Now to your Post: Crillz What Standard do you use to grade your Fighters: What is the difference between an A fighter and B fighter an C fighter from a D fighter. and So on???? Because Before I give you a detail answer I need to know your Mindset. Crillz: also I want to ask you, what do you think is better. fighting and beating a C+ fighter and beating him for his world title or fighting an A+ elite fighter, a substantially better and greater fighter for a Vacant title? which would you respect more? you may say "He won 6 world titles among 5 weight classes", but against who? -Horus I will say that fighting a A+ fighter is way better than Fighting a C fighter anyday. But there arent too many A+ fighters fighting in today's game who dont have a belt.. So your point is kinda mute. There are 4 levels to a boxer's career. Level 1. Get a couple easy wins under your belt. (Fight the easy fights. Burgers, chumps, etc......for experience and to build your record. no disrespect to burgers and chumps). Level 2. Make a name for yourself Fight other good prospects and past their prime known fighters (undefeated, 1's and 2's, etc..) to separate yourself from the rest, make a name for yourself. Level 3. Validate yourself Validate your dominance over your career by winning titles and beating your peer champions. Level 4. Cement your legacy Enter Club Elite. Picking and choosing, fighting the fights that mean something to your legacy and your bank account!! This is How I judge Fighters...So I would be really curious onto how you grade fighters.... This is basically what Standard I apply to any fighter I judge. __________________________________________________________________ Point of Conversation #1: Crillz: Diego Corrales for instance, he beat Casamayor, Castillo and Freitas correct? 3 good solid names and he lost to all the other elite names in his resume, why is it, you think, that he gets so much respect? he only beat 3 good guys right? _________________________________________________________________ Horus Crillz, you got it all Wrong. You are looking at Diego Resume From Mainstream Standpoint instead of historical standpoint. You Have to Remember before Diego Fought Casamayor, Castillo and Freitas he was once ranked #5 P4P in the sport. and the Number # 1 Superfeather weight in the world above Mayweather. International Boxing Hall of Fame:Canastota, New York Only has 200 Fighters Inducted Into Their Hall of Fame. Out of All the fighters in History. This is the most Prestiges Hall of Fame of them all. They do not Have a Pound for Pound Ratings, They induct their fighters by a vote of 150 boxing experts, historians, and writers. The voters hail from all parts of the globe. They Judge their Fighters from an Historical Standpoint. NOT WHO WAS THE MOST POPULAR. because alot of fighters never get the fame they deserved, but they record and accomplishments speak for themselves. Meaning: History Looks at Fighters differently than the Mainstream Look at Fighters: History Meaning: 1. What was that fighter Considered when you fought them 2. What was the significense of that Fight, what did it meaned to your division and to the sport? 3. What did that fighter do before he fought you (Ametuar Degree, and early pro career) 4. What did he do after he fought you. 5. What did you accomplish from a historical Standpoint. Here is brief history why Diego Corrales was #5 P4P in the sport Before he fought Casamayor, Castillo and Freitas: (and i wish we could time travel to really get a feel for what these fighters were when Deigo Fought them.) ( What you should do is, go to Ranking Sites from back in the day: Like KO magazine (top 2 rating system), Ring Magazine,World Boxing , The Divisional Ratings, and so on if you really want to be Historically Accurate. Justin Juuko ( Considered Top 10 Super FeatherWeight when Fought) when Deigo Fought him Angel Manfredy: Tko 1 loss Arturo Gatti,He beat a very Highly Reguarded Fighter in Ivan Robinson. And Still Reguarded as 1 of the best boxers in the game. when Deigo Fought them Derrick Gainer (Top 10 Super FeatherWeight ) when Deigo Fought him Roberto Garcia (Considered TOP 4 Super FeatherWeight when fought and Some though he could be the best in the division)- So to say he only beat 3 good guys, Is Historically inaccurate. And does a disservice to all the ranking systems that rated him so high before he even fought Casamayor, Castillo and Freitas. All these Professional Writers, Historians, and People who work in these Boxing Ratings and the wbo,wba,ibf,wbc,wba all voted on these ratings that these fighters get. In addition what trips me out about Boxingscene sometimes and even some respected sports writers. Some of these guys comments about fighters and the way they are rank, seems to me that they think that All these people and organizations dont know what the fu*k they are talking about when they are rating fighters..?? Like some of these Posters on Boxingscene Know more than all these Professional Writers, Historians, and People who work in these Boxing Ratings. I think to myself when I read some of the comments on here, saying Joe Calzaghe has never fought anyone, and etc. You know better than people who are getting paid for this, and have been watching boxing before most of us were born... and have more knowledge than you about this. So it is very important for us to look at things just not from a Mainstream standpoint, but from a historical standpoint. Diego Corralles Has fought way more then 3 names.

cRillz I previously posted, that i will stop placing my Champion standards place on Cotto. Because to me he is not a real enough champion for me to place these kind of standards on. because he never beat a champion. He always fights for vacant titles. IMO, Fighting for a vacant title is fine if you do it rarely. But if the only time you win a title is against a contender for a vacant belt. Then i see it as cheating the game of boxing. Because the fighter is not willing to fight the champion for that belt or go find a champion and take his belt. But instead That fighter is taking the easy route to become a champion... All jokes aside homie I can't even bash you, not because what I feel you are saying is correct but because you kept it 100, you didn't come out bad mouthing me you came back respectfully and that is something I can respect, props on that.. NOW since that's out the way I wanna thoroughly explain to you why where you hold Cotto is inaccurate as to where he stands.. see maybe Cotto has only fought for Vacant titles but something you have to understand is he doesn't pick and choose the fights. literally he takes NO part in his fight negotiations and lets his team manage that for him, all he does is fight and as you know this is an old school fighter trait, line'em up I'll knock'em down. fortunately for Cotto though he has a good team who loves him and takes care of him unlike people in the past, Mike Tyson for instance, whom their own team abused them and took their money. this is the only relevance that calling your own shots hold, control of your purse and this has nothing to do with the art of hitting and not getting hit.. truth is when all the negotiations are over and everybody is done talking the only thing that is left, the only things that means anything in this sport, is the fight. THAT is what defines you, WHO you beat not HOW MUCH you earned to beat him.. also I want to ask you, what do you think is better. fighting and beating a C+ fighter and beating him for his world title or fighting an A+ elite fighter, a substantially better and greater fighter for a Vacant title? which would you respect more? I mean this in terms of quality opposition, of course ON PAPER it looks like you beat the champion but man to man, I'm asking you this as a real n1gga and I expect an honest answer, which would you really respect? Boxing is all about fighting the best fighters but not all the time are the best fighters the recognized champions. I feel, and this is MY personal opinion here, I feel if you fight a better opponent, a man worthy enough to be champion, more deserving than those whom are, if you beat a guy like that for a vacant title it's much more respectable than beating a man FAR lesser skilled than you for his title just because he wears the name champion, it doesn't cover up the difference in opposition and to me that's what defines you. this is like Sam Peter VS Oleg Maskaev where the champion was just a sitting duck, people KNEW what was going to happen there.. Lets take Floyd for example since this thread is based on him, you may say "He won 6 world titles among 5 weight classes", but against who? it SOUNDS wonderful but when you dissect the stats you'll come to learn that those "Champions" he beat weren't on his level, there were far more harder champions he could have faced instead but opted for the lesser challenges. Cotto however has been facing past or present world champions and high ranked prospects since his 10th fight against Justin Jukko, he took and demolished men Floyd went 12 rounds with by crushing KO's. do you realize that from June 11 2005 until December 2 2006 Cotto fought a string of opponents whose combined records was 123-2-1 which 3 were undefeated up and coming HIGHLY regarded prospects, 1 of whom went on to become world champion beat the man who beat Margarito, don't you realize this? he fought the REAL opponents available to him, he fought the better competition yet because ON PAPER Floyd's career LOOKS better you give him more props.. see thing is you use the fact that Floyd fought lesser men for their titles and Cotto has fought equally strong men for vacant titles as means to disregard Cotto when in this sport it's all about WHO you beat, you can be 45-0 and if you didn't beat no one it wouldn't matter what titles you claim, yea you go down as a champion but with no respect. do you think ANYONE who knows even the slightest about Boxing credits Mayweather with a win over Castillo? De La Hoya Over Sturm? Chavez over Whitaker? Baldomir over Clottey? the list goes on and on and the answer is NO, they STILL won but nobody respects it.. truth is Heart takes you a long way in this sport, when you fight for pride and glory as cheesy as this sounds you get more respect shown to you in the long run. Diego Corrales for instance, he beat Casamayor, Castillo and Freitas correct? 3 good solid names and he lost to all the other elite names in his resume, why is it, you think, that he gets so much respect? he only beat 3 good guys right? truth is the things that solidified him as a great fighter was his will to fight anyone and make it a brawl which is the EXACT opposite of the things that made Mayweather great so you can't apply the same criteria you would for Mayweather on Gatti, Cotto, Corrales or whoever because with each it's different. same with Gatti, he beat a few good names but he himself was a VERY hittable and limited fighter who could just take it and give it too, he gets his respect due to his heart, THAT'S what makes him a HOF worthy fighter because he had a HOF worthy heart, he fought HOF worthy fights and really gave his all. these men didn't have no control over their money neither but that doesn't qualify as a legit reason to discredit their legacies because 10 years from now people wont remember Carlos Baldomir, he'll fall as another "Champion" Mayweather beat but people will ALWAYS remember Shane Mosley and not as a Cotto opponent.. my fault for writing a book here but you wanted an insult free discussion, right? that's what I'm trying to do here.. my bottom line is things you use to discredit Miguel Cotto is not valid criteria to be labeling him as another Vargas, for starters Cotto has already fought more fights than Vargas with more wins and less losses, he beat a man who beat Vargas twice yo get real.. if you don't take Cotto seriously after all the work he put in against all the guys he put it in against you're 1 complicated dude, real talk, Cotto only has 1 loss and it came against himself, he won the battle of hands against his opponent, he performed and showed he was a better pugilist he just lost the battle of conditioning and gassed out, he lost his ability to contend due to inconsistencies in training and that's real. aside from that I can't image someone bashing Miguel's credibility because he fought for vacant titles, he beat better guys than those whom were champion so no way and not everyone is their own boss in Boxing, promoters are a thing that's here to stay, that shouldn't be held against him... yo I know this post is long but I hope you read it because I took my time in breaking down many FACTS all to hopefully enlighten you, you seem like a knowledgeable person, insults aside.. 100

yeh pacman beat: Juan Manuel Marquez, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Jorge Solis all at 130lb The Top Four Recognized Fighters Were: Genaro Hernandez Angel Manfredy Roberto Garcia Diego Corrales pac's four have to be considered better

Mayweather is Considered the Greatest Ever at 130 by almost everybody. Boxrec.com Has also RATED Mayweather the TOP 130 Pounder Ever Too: http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Super+Featherweight&status=E&SUBMIT=Go HERE IS WHY ALMOST EVERYBODY CONSIDERS MAYWEATHER THE GREATEST FIGHTER EVER AT 130: Mayweather clean out 130. 130: Super Featherweight The Top Four Recognized Fighters Were: Genaro Hernandez Angel Manfredy Roberto Garcia Diego Corrales At Mayweather First Division at 130,He Dominated the Division. He was Knocking out all top Contenders. To the Point that after only 2 years turning PRO He was ranked 8th On the P4P List and Number 1 in his Division http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1998 He Fought Genaro Hernandez who was 38-1-1 2 time World Champion. And The Reigning WBC world Champion. And The Ring Magazine Recognize World Champion of The Division.Who only Lost came from Oscar De La Hoya in which Oscar broke his in several places. .Which Happen 3 years Earlier In that Fight Floyd Dominated the Recognize Champion at 130. and Officially Became The WBC world Champion at 21 years old and 17 fights. ... not no international or state or any other bullshit title, but The Official Recognize WBC world Champion at 21 years old. And Now Recognize as The Ring Magazine number # 1 fighter in the division at 21 years old and #8 on P4P list out of all the fighters in the world. His Next Fight right After that Fight,Mayweather beat the guy who was RANKED number #4 ( Angel Manfredy) , And In that fight Mayweather Knocks Him Out in the 2nd.Round. Now Mayweather had now beaten 2 out of the top 4 fighters in the 130 division. all before the age Of 22.And the 3rd of those 4 fighters was (Roberto Garcia who was 31-0 with 23 Knock Outs.) And Floyd was about to fight Roberto Garcia, but Roberto Garcia decided to fight Knock Out Artist and Another P4P Phenomenal fighter in Diego Corrales.. Who out of 33 fights to that Point. only 5 fighters didnt get Knock Out. Roberto Garcia was knock out in the 7th Round by Corrales. Now Instead of Floyd Fighting Roberto Garica, he nows finds himself in the position of fighting the #5 Pound 4 Pound fighter in the sport, and then #1 fighter at 130...Diego Corrales. and In that Fight Floyd was a 2 to 1 Underdog, to not only lose to Corrales.But to get Knock out. Floyd fights Corrales, The #5 P4P fighter in the sport and #1 fighter in the division, and in the fight compellingly outclassed and Knocks out Diego Corrales in a 10 round 1 sided fight. After that Floyd Completely Clean out the 130 Division with 8 title defenses, with 6 of those fights ending in Knock out. Floyd at 130 now can not get a big name fighter to fight him from Featherweight to Lightweight. NOBODY..and when big name fighters did get approach about fighting Mayweather, they either demand a 55-45 split, or didnt return the call. So Floyd started calling out all the big names Shane Mosely, Oscar De La Hoya, everybody. But Nobody wanted to fight. So instead of staying at 130 where no other big names will fight him at. He moves Up. And his first fight was against the number # 1 guy at 135 JLC. F****** PBF He is just lucky Pacman is not yet on that division or else He was demolished by an asian fighter..... that's why he retire even he was in his peak prime.....

i know you meant at 130, but i just couldn't resist.:boxing:

Great Post:***** You assessments was dead on. Floyd is my favorite fighter. But Let me be critical. Floyd Would have not Dominated Arguello for a couple of reasons. Arguello had Power, A Chin, and incredible Stamina. Floyd would not and could not beat Arguello at 130 with his C game like he did with Oscar. Floyd would have to bring his A game with Arguello. This fight, Would have force Mayweather fight just like he did with Chavez. But the Danger is Could he go 15 rounds in a war with a fighter who most of all his KO's came in the 10-14 rounds of Fights... GOT DAMN.......THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN AMAZING FIGHT..!!! sounds like Margarito or Paul Williams to me.:bigeyes:

Just edit the last part 135. Good read man It killz me how some think he isn't interested in fighting the best when he did so at 130-135 and Cotto/ Hatton didn't want none with him at 140.Yet I've said it before Right now...we don't know who the best 147 pounder is and that is a PROBLEM Exactly......how come Cotto's peeps don't remember or recall this?.....both Hatton and Cotto was ringside the night Floyd destroyed and embarrassed Gatti.....he was ready to fight either but they chose to do other things just like my boy Prince Naz did when Floyd called him out.....

Well you make some valid points. But to me 130 and 135 are close enough to be talked about in the same context.

He'll just never be remembered like Duran or other great lightweights. It's just not going to happen. So no he's not even close like I said. As a pure boxer he's definitely up there though. It's kind of a lamentable waste that he hasn't fought more fights against better or worse opponents from the standpoint of being a boxing fan. Well, considering we are talking about Super featherweight, and the fact he only had about four fights at lightweight, it is of course very understandable that he won't be remembered like Duran or any decent lightweight champion for that matter. 130 was his division and he's a great champion for it, whether he's the best is hard to say though certainly possible. There have not been many champions who sat in that division for a long time. It has always been a quick-stop division.

He'll just never be remembered like Duran or other great lightweights. It's just not going to happen. So no he's not even close like I said. You make a point my man. However.....we're judging him at 130, not 135.:sad6: As a pure boxer he's definitely up there though. It's kind of a lamentable waste that he hasn't fought more fights against better or worse opponents from the standpoint of being a boxing fan. Believe me, I agree with this. But at 130 he took on enough quality opponents to be discussed as one of the best two or three fighters in that divisions history, imo.

He appeals to nobody of the light which on this forum is called the 'mainstream.' Nobody watched his fights really. Like they did Tommy Morrison or Ray Leonard.