No, let the fighter finish the fight. I think Paulie wanted to retire after this fight by losing a decision, not a tko... Don't know if Paulie will ever come back to the sport after his embarrassing display. It's perfectly clear to every fighter now that Paulie can not hurt them, Hatton does not have granite chin and Paulie did not phase Hatton once.
In the first fight, i thought Paulie was hurting Ndou, because he kept Ndou off him the entire fight. And gave Ndou and ass whooping, but I guess Ndou didn't even feel any effects from that fight afterwards...
N'Dou is a hardass. That dude can take a shot about as well as anyone in the sport today. Malignaggi was boxing his ears off in the first fight, but he never came close to hurting him (even when he dropped him).
I voted yes but I can see the argument either way. Malignaggi was getting worked over and really wasn't showing anything to suggest he was going to turn the fight around. It was all but over by the 10th and McGirt knew Paul can't turn a fight around with punching power. Why subject your fighter to unnecessary punishment?
It doesn't make me feel any differently about Malignaggi or McGirt.
No, let the fighter finish the fight. I think Paulie wanted to retire after this fight by losing a decision, not a tko... Don't know if Paulie will ever come back to the sport after his embarrassing display. It's perfectly clear to every fighter now that Paulie can not hurt them, Hatton does not have granite chin and Paulie did not phase Hatton once.
In the first fight, i thought Paulie was hurting Ndou, because he kept Ndou off him the entire fight. And gave Ndou and ass whooping, but I guess Ndou didn't even feel any effects from that fight afterwards...
It was a fair stoppage. When Buddy made those comments to pauli in the corner about stopping the fight, pauli should have came out throwing at a higher rate level. When he did not Buddy knew nothing was changing the outcome of the fight. He did the right thing in protecting hisfighter to fight another day. Now if Pauli was known to have one punch power, he might have let him continue.....
Yes, Yes; I understand this as well and I can't really blame Buddy. It was probably the "right" thing to do. A trainer must over-look his fighter's pride and protect the fighter. After all, that Man needs to live to feed his family. Live to fight another day as they say.
But if a Man wants to die.......................You have the right to pursuit happiness.
I felt bad for Malignaggi, and even though logic says that one should intelligently stop a fight when the losing fighter is way behind on the scorecards, taking a beating AND doesn't have the power to pull out an out-of-the-blue knockout, I watched the fight and thought it shouldn't have been stopped.
I felt really bad for Malignaggi, he was clearly upset (and emotionally hurt) after the fight. Wasn't he crying (or on the verge of) when talking with Mayweather, Sr? He's mad as hell with McGirt, and after the interview he mentioned the worse beating he took with Cotto, but maybe one can make a case for that fight, because he was actually winning some rounds.
I dunno, it's another situation where people will be torn, and it's sad that boxing encounters these problems. Bute/Andrade...same thing.
Stoppage arguments.
Last night's loss was officially a TKO loss for him, but he can still keep his head up since Hatton never knocked him down, and his losses have come against two highly touted fighters, and he's shown that he can hang in there with them. It's just unfortunate that he doesn't have the extraordinary technique required to compensate for a serious lack of power (like Calderón for example).
Yup. "Logically" the fight should have been stopped.
But guess what?
It could be argued that "Logically" people shouldn't be bashing their heads in for entertainment. Logic doesn't exist in boxing ;)
I could "logically" give you reasons why we should be fighting/boxing, like the ancient greeks definition, but my definition might not match-up with the PETA people. Note: I think PETA has some good ideas, but since Nature doesn't follow PETA, they are hypocrites.
When I saw it, at the time I thought it was the wrong thing to do. On reflection, Paulie effectively 'quit' after R2 when he got hurt by the first meaningful exchange. He was frightened of Hatton's power and had no interest in taking any kind of chance for the remainder of the fight. His corner's actions were harsh but I think he was so far behind there was no way he could come back, also his constant holding was becoming embarrassing.
It was a fair stoppage. When Buddy made those comments to pauli in the corner about stopping the fight, pauli should have came out throwing at a higher rate level. When he did not Buddy knew nothing was changing the outcome of the fight. He did the right thing in protecting hisfighter to fight another day. Now if Pauli was known to have one punch power, he might have let him continue.....
I felt bad for Malignaggi, and even though logic says that one should intelligently stop a fight when the losing fighter is way behind on the scorecards, taking a beating AND doesn't have the power to pull out an out-of-the-blue knockout, I watched the fight and thought it shouldn't have been stopped.
I felt really bad for Malignaggi, he was clearly upset (and emotionally hurt) after the fight. Wasn't he crying (or on the verge of) when talking with Mayweather, Sr? He's mad as hell with McGirt, and after the interview he mentioned the worse beating he took with Cotto, but maybe one can make a case for that fight, because he was actually winning some rounds.
I dunno, it's another situation where people will be torn, and it's sad that boxing encounters these problems. Bute/Andrade...same thing.
Stoppage arguments.
Last night's loss was officially a TKO loss for him, but he can still keep his head up since Hatton never knocked him down, and his losses have come against two highly touted fighters, and he's shown that he can hang in there with them. It's just unfortunate that he doesn't have the extraordinary technique required to compensate for a serious lack of power (like Calderón for example).
Yeah I wouldn't have stopped it but it is an interesting conundrum, and depends very much on the relationship between boxer and trainer. Paulie should have made it very clear to McGirt that he didn't want to throw the towel in unless, for instance, he was knocked down a few times.
Plus Buddy prob knew Hatton would go all out in the 12th round for a knockout and would prob find it.
So let Paulie go down...and then, mabye, stop the fight.
This might be Paulie's last fight so why not let him go out the way he wants too?
Now he might have to stay in the ring to prove a point.
People can talk all they want about Paulies pride being hurt, but with no chance of winning the fight, throwing nothing and taking a solid beating, his trainer was right to throw in the towel.
The only thing I find weird is that his trainer did not throw in the towel vs Cotto.
Overall it was a good stoppage. One punch can end a fighters life, so there is no need to let a fighter get beaten up for the sake of his pride. How proud would he be if he was blind or in a wheelchair?
Paulie's pride is what makes him a fighter. No telling how it will effect him emotionally. He was brutally beaten by Cotto, a more punishing fight, and he was still able to spit funny b.s. despite that loss. Why? because he went 12 with Cotto and he was allowed to.
One could easily argue that fight should have been stopped.
YOU DIDN'T KNOCK ME DOWN RAY; YOU DIDN'T KNOCK ME DOWN
There's Pride among groups like the Italians and the Irish that even if you get your ass beat, as long as you are standing or didn't throw in the towel, your cool.
He saw that Hatton was about to give Paulie a beat down and Paulie was pretty much defenseless, with way too much time left in the round. He protected his fighter. He did the right thing.
People can talk all they want about Paulies pride being hurt, but with no chance of winning the fight, throwing nothing and taking a solid beating, his trainer was right to throw in the towel.
The only thing I find weird is that his trainer did not throw in the towel vs Cotto.
Overall it was a good stoppage. One punch can end a fighters life, so there is no need to let a fighter get beaten up for the sake of his pride. How proud would he be if he was blind or in a wheelchair?
Whoever voted "Yes" should stop being fans of fights and fighters.
The ref didn't think it needed to be stopped and neither did Paulie.
He could of survived until the finally bell and he wasn't allowed.
I want to know how many Americans voted for this shit "YES" and how may Europeans as well.
Man Up
i voted yes and I'm a fan of "fights". What I watched last night was not a fight. Buddy did the right thing.
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