I know not all of them are chiny, but there have been a whole lot of murderous punchers with suspect beards.
Tommy Hearns, Julian Jackson, Tito Trinidad, Chico Corrales, Rafa Marquez just to name a few.
Why is this?
i beg to differ, see sig.
I do too. Lewis had one punch KO power. See Lewis-Ruddock,Lewis-Botha-Lewis-Grant, Lewis Rahaman 2,Lewis-Weaver, Lewis-Briggs...........
I've noticed this trend also. It maybe their training habits. They may train for power and punching rather than endurance and stamina.
Jaidon Codrington, Lennox Lewis could be added to that list.
Lennox Lewis had a very good chin actually. I defy anyone with knowledge to disagree with that.
julio cesar chavez? well i would'nt really consider him a puncher considering he wore you down then knocked you out
chavez rarely tried to take your head off.he was always steady breaking his opponent down.
Lennox lewis wasnt much of a puncher though..
He banged some mans out but they were past punch resistance by then..
He could bang but i wouldnt call him a puncher
i beg to differ, see sig.
tito didn't have a suspect chin.
his chin was solid.
he was knocked down a lot in the early rounds because of a combination of balance and not being warmed up yet.
tito was rarely ever hurt.
he was koed once in his career and it was more of the i am exhausted , i have nothing left , i give up type ko losses.
Dude when Hopkins dropped Trinidad his eyes were floating all over the place man. That wasn't a he gave up thing, he was legitimately hurt.
they have one philosophy: good offense is the best defense.
with that, they tend to be one dimensional. in the process they leave loopholes in their arsel thats why they get KTFO
That's what I think it is as well. Maybe they aren't chinny, but rather leave themselves exposed to getting CRACKED.
they have one philosophy: good offense is the best defense.
with that, they tend to be one dimensional. in the process they leave loopholes in their arsel thats why they get KTFO
I know not all of them are chiny, but there have been a whole lot of murderous punchers with suspect beards.
Tommy Hearns, Julian Jackson, Tito Trinidad, Chico Corrales, Rafa Marquez just to name a few.
Why is this?
My guess is that many of them are used to overwhelming their opponents, opposed to getting hit a lot in return.That creates defensive weaknesses and lapses. Of course, there are also big punchers who had excellent chins like Foreman or Duran at 135. Gerald McClellan also had a very stong chin.
Roy Jones checked his chin, but that was recent.
But what I'm trying to get at is......
Is it more correct to say that punchers are "in position" to get hit in a way that would hurt them because they are always trying to create a "punching" opportunity.
I don't know if you all watched UFC this weekend, but Chuck Liddell, a great puncher, got KTFO on a countershot as he was seeking an uppercut.
roy is a natural 160-168 guy who has 175-190 power in his prime.
besides tito is way past prime.
chuck doesn't have the best of chins and mma guys are more open to getting caught flush because of their stance and the smaller gloves.
Not all great punchers had poor chins. The very best (in my opinion) did however. Hearns, Jackson and Joe Louis.
Other GREAT punchers with solid whiskers:
Arguello
Gomez
Foreman
Marciano
MSM
Bad Briscoe
Tszyu
Ray Robinson
tito didn't have a suspect chin.
his chin was solid.
he was knocked down a lot in the early rounds because of a combination of balance and not being warmed up yet.
tito was rarely ever hurt.
he was koed once in his career and it was more of the i am exhausted , i have nothing left , i give up type ko losses.
Roy Jones checked his chin, but that was recent.
But what I'm trying to get at is......
Is it more correct to say that punchers are "in position" to get hit in a way that would hurt them because they are always trying to create a "punching" opportunity.
I don't know if you all watched UFC this weekend, but Chuck Liddell, a great puncher, got KTFO on a countershot as he was seeking an uppercut.
tito didn't have a suspect chin.
his chin was solid.
he was knocked down a lot in the early rounds because of a combination of balance and not being warmed up yet.
tito was rarely ever hurt.
he was koed once in his career and it was more of the i am exhausted , i have nothing left , i give up type ko losses.
Lennox lewis wasnt much of a puncher though..
He banged some mans out but they were past punch resistance by then..
He could bang but i wouldnt call him a puncher
I don't think he created the opportunity to finish people, after all he called himself the pugilist specialist.
I've noticed this trend also. It maybe their training habits. They may train for power and punching rather than endurance and stamina.
Jaidon Codrington, Lennox Lewis could be added to that list.
Lennox lewis wasnt much of a puncher though..
He banged some mans out but they were past punch resistance by then..
He could bang but i wouldnt call him a puncher
they commit to punches more.so they can get caught with shit they don't see.
That's exactly what I was thinking. They're always seeking a position to hit hard, and that leaves them in a position to not take punches to well.
There are plenty of counterexamples as well. Foreman, Marciano...I don't think there's any correlation between chin and power other than the fact that big punchers often leave themselves more open to shots since they're more offensive trying to land that power. They don't tend to be the slickest of fighters defensively.
For the most part, punchers can take it as good as they can give it. They got no choice but to bring a good beard to the ring cuz they're 90% offense and 10% defense. The punchers who have shaky chins have em cuz they lose confidence when they're gettin tagged back. It has sumthin to do wit mental toughness, maybe more than physical toughness. Some punchers can't help but crack when they are gettin hit and stood up to.