this guy says ali would beat a prime tyson

love prime tyson but Ali woulda psyched him out before the fight and woulda taken him to school tyson always had problems with taller fighters that would lean on him...and he also had problems with pure boxers with good jabs...if you put the types of fighters that Mike had weaknesses against, you'd have ali...and with that, you'd have a UD win for Ali Ali also had trouble with short explosive fighter's..if Ali didn't mentally tear him apart before the fight I'd give it to Tyson by UD or KO. It's really to bad so many people cut Tyson up and act like he's a nobody. The man was the youngest heavyweight champion ever, unified the belts and saved boxing. He was a bigger draw than even ODLH. I think he makes the top 10, maybe at number 7 or 8. He would walk through a lot of other overrated champions, people just hate the guy because of his downfall, which is to bad - especially in a boxing community.

Clegg I see you got Pavlik by KO over BHop. What do you see that makes you think he is good enough to stop Bernard? I'll answer for him. power,,,,good work rate,,and youth. he should be able to wear hopkins down and stop him,,but then again hopkins has turned into a ruiz with all his hugging,,,,,so he may just hug and headbutt pav enough to survive the whole fight. I'd still favor pav by late tko though

Tysons biggest advantage was that his opponents feared him. I doubt Ali would fear him...not only that he would belittle him and make Tyson fight angry, Id go with Ali. If Frazier, Foreman and Liston couldn't scare Ali, who could?

Tysons biggest advantage was that his opponents feared him. I doubt Ali would fear him...not only that he would belittle him and make Tyson fight angry, Id go with Ali.

Ali was at his best when he hungry for the title, trying to gain or recapture it. If he came in as champion with a lax attitude like he somewhat did for the first Frazier fight, Tyson might have been able to shock him. In most scenarios I see Ali taking it, just too resilient, he would take Tyson's heart.

Well I remember reading a scientific study (or possibly a post by catskills) that said that gorillas are too ponderous to compete against someone as fast as Ali. The fact is, you are who you beat, and gorillas tend to stay in cages, avoiding world class opponents. I think a prime Ali dances circles around the gorilla, and possibly stops him late with a corkscrew uppercut whilst doing the Ali shuffle. Some say the gorilla has a puncher's chance, but Ali had a pretty good chin so no worries there. Clegg I see you got Pavlik by KO over BHop. What do you see that makes you think he is good enough to stop Bernard?

Ali isn't a warrior because he jabs. Tyson is a warrior because he quits on his stool.

Well I remember reading a scientific study (or possibly a post by catskills) that said that gorillas are too ponderous to compete against someone as fast as Ali. The fact is, you are who you beat, and gorillas tend to stay in cages, avoiding world class opponents. I think a prime Ali dances circles around the gorilla, and possibly stops him late with a corkscrew uppercut whilst doing the Ali shuffle. Some say the gorilla has a puncher's chance, but Ali had a pretty good chin so no worries there. Thanks to the renowned boxing expert catskills23, I now know why gorillas couldn't survive in the heavyweight division. Although I've been told by catskills that gorillas have one helluva chin (Margarito-esque) so it's impossible for them to be KO'ed. I honestly think Ali would jab the gorilla to death for 15 straight rounds without throwing a right hand because he wouldn't wanna work up a sweat. Prime Tyson, on the other hand, would murder the gorilla. Just ask catskills...

all tyson would need is 4 rounds max. your underrating PRIME tyson before he went to prison. Tyson was a lunatic before he went to prison. Prison was a direct result of that lunacy. I think Douglas would've won whether Tyson had done time or not. It's a shame that he missed the time in the ring, but I doubt it made much difference actually in the ring. He seemed, to me at least, to be the same fighter inside the squared circle as before. He never had the ability to go deep except for his earlier years. And I think after awhile he figured he'd never really have to. Before Douglas he did what...two or three times in his career? Tony Tucker was the last time (before Buster Douglas) that he had to go more than 6 or 7. And he was well ahead on the cards most of the fight, no reason to get discouraged. Also was 3 years or so younger, and probably had been actually training for something besides a KO in less than 7. And later on, Ruddock went the distance with Tyson, but again....it was all Tyson, no reason to give up. No, Tyson was never mentally competant. The second shit started to go a little sour, he fell apart/flipped out/cannabilized his opponent/mentally gave up, etc. You could see it in his face during the last couple of rounds against Douglas.

is this a joke?? prime tyson would beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing. is this a joke? LOL Lennox, Vander

Did a prime Ali have the feet to be fleet-footed? To get up on his toes and move around the ring like Tyson? Could Ali have beaten a gorilla? If ali got in the cage do you think he could of knocked the gorilla out with a punch?.

All you had to do to beat Tyson is make it past 4 or 5 rounds. You're VASTLY overrating Tyson. all tyson would need is 4 rounds max. your underrating PRIME tyson before he went to prison.

Are you a fuckin' joke? Tyson, prime or not, was barely even top 10 all-time. No way was he even in a prime Ali's class. Ali would KO Tyson in the middle rounds when Tyson realized Ali wasn't intimidated and actually came to fight. Top 10? Maybe top 15, but 20 would probably be more accurate. Too many other solid heavyweights ahead of him that didn't have the mind of a spoiled 10 year old sitting on top of a 'roid blown body. No way I'd have Tyson in my top 10. Mental midget with solid power, fast hands and no heart.

Are you a fuckin' joke? Tyson, prime or not, was barely even top 10 all-time. No way was he even in a prime Ali's class. Ali would KO Tyson in the middle rounds when Tyson realized Ali wasn't intimidated and actually came to fight.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=3535766 Ali vs. Mike Tyson This would have been a fascinating fight. Tyson -- the 21-year-old version -- had the Joe Frazier type of attacking speed, and Tyson's punches were fast when he was at his best. Although he would have been giving up five inches in height to Ali, he was more powerful physically, and at about 218 pounds he would have been a bit heavier. For the first four, five or six rounds, Tyson would have given Ali a desperate struggle. He would have been going at him hard, and Ali could not have avoided all the shots. Tyson's left hook might well have put Ali down -- certainly Ali would have been rocked and staggered. Ali's many admirers would have been very, very worried. Eventually, though, Ali's cool boxing brain and his character would have pulled him through. He might have been obliged to hang on to get through some rough moments, but Ali's superior will and greater mental stamina would come into play. He would probably talk to Tyson: "Boy, you're getting tired now -- you're in trouble." There is a good chance that Tyson would have started to unravel as Ali came back at him with jabs, right hands and combinations, in effect bullying the bully. In the later rounds, Tyson would have been wishing he were somewhere else, while the crowd would have been joyously chanting: "Ali, Ali, Ali." Verdict: Ali by decision or late stoppage. is this a joke?? prime tyson would beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing. All you had to do to beat Tyson is make it past 4 or 5 rounds. You're VASTLY overrating Tyson.

Ali would beat a prime Tyson. Ali's quick hands and pin-point accuracy would stop Tyson in the late rounds. But the real question is, would a prime Tyson stop a prime Margarito?

Ali would beat a prime Tyson without a doubt IMO. He had the skills and chin to withstand the intial Tyson onslaught then he would have just proceeded to wear Mike down and score a late round stoppage. Ali just had way too many dimensions to his game to get beat by Tyson.

Frazier had loads more stamina. You think Tyson would be chugging forward like that for 15 rounds? Probably not. and frazier was much tougher mentally. anyway,,,that was post prison ali that lost a lot of his foot speed. the pre prison ali would have boxed fraziers ears off

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=3535766 Ali vs. Mike Tyson This would have been a fascinating fight. Tyson -- the 21-year-old version -- had the Joe Frazier type of attacking speed, and Tyson's punches were fast when he was at his best. Although he would have been giving up five inches in height to Ali, he was more powerful physically, and at about 218 pounds he would have been a bit heavier. For the first four, five or six rounds, Tyson would have given Ali a desperate struggle. He would have been going at him hard, and Ali could not have avoided all the shots. Tyson's left hook might well have put Ali down -- certainly Ali would have been rocked and staggered. Ali's many admirers would have been very, very worried. Eventually, though, Ali's cool boxing brain and his character would have pulled him through. He might have been obliged to hang on to get through some rough moments, but Ali's superior will and greater mental stamina would come into play. He would probably talk to Tyson: "Boy, you're getting tired now -- you're in trouble." There is a good chance that Tyson would have started to unravel as Ali came back at him with jabs, right hands and combinations, in effect bullying the bully. In the later rounds, Tyson would have been wishing he were somewhere else, while the crowd would have been joyously chanting: "Ali, Ali, Ali." Verdict: Ali by decision or late stoppage. is this a joke?? prime tyson would beat any heavyweight in the history of boxing. lol,,,like tyson beat anyone even close to ali's class. ali would have dominated tyson and either make him quit or stop him late. tyson was so overrated it was laughable. he dominated a weak era and mentally fell apart every time an opponent could stand up to his punches and not be afraid to hit back

This is the ultimate dream fight. I think Mike woulda had a chance, but he'd be outsmarted and UD'd by Ali. At his best, Ali was just too good for Mike.