Nonito Donaire vs Cristian Mijares

Cristian Mijares seems to be the new big thing. I can't lie. I first saw him during Mijares-Navarro and that bout really impress me. After watching the fights with Kawashima, Arce, and others then paying for the Munoz fight I really became a big fan. Donaire has shown no evidence that he is not a pound for pound fighter skillwise. He just needs the names at flyweight and they were cleary avoiding him. I read in an article that he is defending his flyweight titles at flyweight and maybe looking at the champions at super flyweight down the road. Luis Maldonado is a good fighter. He fought to a draw with Mijares because again, he is technically sound and a pretty good counter puncher and Mijares often abandones his best weapons and trades. Styles makes fights. I really can't see Mijares beating Donaire for that same reason. Donaire could not only punch but he has a great track record against southpaws and can box. Three things: 1. Stop reading Ronnie's articles if you seriously believe that Naito and Sakata are ducking Donaire. Why hasn't Donaire try to go after Omar Navarez either? All he mentions are "The japanese are scared to fight me" If he had any "plain and basic common sense" he would know the japanese don't recognize the IBF as a title (or the WBO for that matter). 2. Mijares is a totally different fighter and no one has even seen Mijares-Maldonado except for 1 person on this forum. It could have been a robbery since Mijares gets fucked up judges or so it seems. Shit it might have been close, but Mijares has improved since then anyway. 3. Donaire has had sucess against southpaws because Vic has no defense once so ever. Neither does Maldonado for that matter, but I think Maldonado is a switch hitter who starts off right handed.

Mijares might go down, but he'd get up and take a UD.

Donaire represents a real threat to Mijares. He's skilled, tall, quick and has punching power. He's better than Montiel and Vic. In my personal view Mijares, Ivan Calderon and Joan Guzman are the better boxers in the game right now. The problem with Mijares are the judges, they don't appreciate his game (weird decisions all the time). Anyway Mijares by UD.

Mijares looks good against small guys and he never faced anyone like Donaire. Donaire gets up on his toes well and he hits with accuracy and power. Are you kidding me? Small guys? Kawashima, Munoz, and Navarro are all legit 115 pounders. Munoz is a pretty big 115 pounder too. Also what irony this year, Nonito Donaire has faced even smaller guys then Mijares has. I was surprised by how close the fight with Munoz was early on. I thought for sure that Munoz was outgunned technically, but somehow his jab and aggression kept him inside of the storm. To me the fight was a big letdown. Why? Mijares let Munoz punch himself out and Munoz is very good himself. It's not like Munoz is a total bum either. He looked good against Nobou Nashiro and Kawashima I think. Kawashima himself is very good. Personally Munoz only won 2-4 rounds. After round 5 it was all Mijares and Mijares' defense was VERY impressive. It's also the performance that put him on the P4P list. To me, that fight was a masterpiece if just short of that. Oh and I don't think Arce was shot when he fought Mijares. If people would actually watch this fight, Arce actually was pretty fast and had a good work rate. He was just outclassed in pretty much every way and Mijares put on a show. As for Mijares-Donaire, I think it's a pretty close fight. I think Donaire's left hook could have some sucess, but Mijares has a pretty good chin. He took some pretty good shots against Kawashima in the first fight and Kawashima hits pretty hard. Mijares' defensive skills is what sets them apart. Donaire has more power, but defense > power anyday. Mijares has drastically improved since the first Kawashima fight. Judging him from the Mijares-Maldonado, which I know that only 1 person has seen on here and that was a pinoy so...I don't know if he's credible :lol1:. Even if you go by his word, Mijares has drasitically improved so you can't compare Donaire's and his performances.

hmm just saying my thoughts anyway ur clearly not familiar with maldonado he is not a big puncher he was a protected prospect that got exposed by vic and recently got humilliated by montiel so he is out of the picture for a long time either way a vic vs donaire fight makes a lot of sense im not the only one that thinks that k how u really feel donaire can beat mijares? i dont see it just for the fact that mijares has a great chin and has been in there with bigger punchers than donaire and more skilled opponents like muñoz and kawashima there is absolutely no way donaire kos mijares just like there was no way cotto could ko margarito so donaire would have to ud mijares the p4p #9 most skilled fighter in the world and with his lack of experience i dont see it happening at all This is a "protected prospect" with a draw with Cristian Mijares though, so he must know how to fight a little bit. If Maldonado was "exposed" by Darchinyan, what favorable things come of that for Mijares' image? You listed examples of fighters Mijares has fought that you felt were better boxers (not sure how Munoz constitutes a better boxer when he got outboxed by Martin Castillo), so how about examples of who you believe to be bigger punchers than Donaire on Mijares' record? I don't see any but maybe you're more familiar with the merits of Teppei Kikui or Reynaldo Lopez than am I. People on unofficial lists get beaten all the time. It wasn't too long ago that Jermain Taylor was a pound for pound elite, then a guy who wasn't on the list came and knocked him out. Same with Vernon Forrest, he had a legit claim to the pound for pound throne before getting KO'ed by Mayorga. Being "pound for pound" and unofficial titles like that mean nothing when you get in the ring. It's just you and your opponent and four arms between each other.

I find that "plain and basic common sense" means the exact opposite here as it does in real life. Any slogan coined by Viva Mexico has to be taken with a grain of salt.

hmm u really need to be dumb if u say arce was past his prime when fighting mijares like the poster above if arce prime wasnt when he was at his biggest undefeated streak then when was it? he really hadnt showed any signs of wearing down even in his fight against roque ler he hurt him badly at the last round anyway ponksaklek was ducking arce thats why arce had to defend an interim belt and comparing tye fields winning streak to arce is just dumb arce didnt just defeat this guys he destroyed them: rubillar, melchor cob castro, hussein hussein rosendo alvares, adonis rivas etc he wasnt fighting bums like tye fields Hey, if you wanna talk about streaks, all streaks are admissible. It shows that statistics mean nothing, whereas in basketball and baseball, they mean everything. It's hard to say that Arce was past his prime because his TV connections and marketability enabled him to fight guys like Julio Ler and Rosendo Alvarez and get the hype that fighting on those networks afford you. Once you're an interim titlist you can force a fight with the champion or take a vacated or stripped belt. If you choose not to and allow the interim period to expire without pushing for a fight with the titlist, you give up any claim to that belt.

Donaire has shown no evidence that he is not a pound for pound fighter skillwise. He just needs the names at flyweight and they were cleary avoiding him. I read in an article that he is defending his flyweight titles at flyweight and maybe looking at the champions at super flyweight down the road. Luis Maldonado is a good fighter. He fought to a draw with Mijares because again, he is technically sound and a pretty good counter puncher and Mijares often abandones his best weapons and trades. Styles makes fights. I really can't see Mijares beating Donaire for that same reason. Donaire could not only punch but he has a great track record against southpaws and can box.

hmm just saying my thoughts anyway ur clearly not familiar with maldonado he is not a big puncher he was a protected prospect that got exposed by vic and recently got humilliated by montiel so he is out of the picture for a long time either way a vic vs donaire fight makes a lot of sense im not the only one that thinks that k how u really feel donaire can beat mijares? i dont see it just for the fact that mijares has a great chin and has been in there with bigger punchers than donaire and more skilled opponents like muñoz and kawashima there is absolutely no way donaire kos mijares just like there was no way cotto could ko margarito so donaire would have to ud mijares the p4p #9 most skilled fighter in the world and with his lack of experience i dont see it happening at all So you're saying kawashima > donaire????:wtf1:

dude arce was not past his prime he was peaking he was knocking out everyone and was hyped to become one of the few 3 division mexican champions hell at that time he had the longest undefeated streak in boxing u are ignorant i dont why i even bother You know as well as I do that statistics like unbeaten streaks mean nothing. Tye Fields had a very good unbeaten streak going for a long time. Then Monte Barrett happened. Arce was only a one-division champion at 108 pounds. He held an interim title at 112, Pongsaklek Wongjongkam was the full WBC titlist. Arce never pressed for a fight with Wongjongkam before moving to 115.

vic was the champ dude Vic was just an alphabet champion, you said it yourself.

vic was the champ dude it doesnt matter if nonito was dominant it only takes one punch from darchinyan to end the fight its the right thing to do plus it makes a lot of sense vic has just come from 2 big wins ( in one he was robbed) makes more sense than fighting some unknown guy from south africa and donaire aint that special ive seen him fight he wouldnt be able to match the superior skills of mijares It only takes one punch from anyone to beat someone at the championship level. Robbie Peden was behind miserably before Campbell gave him a free shot and altered his career path. You could say that Mijares should rematch Maldonado, it would only take one punch to end the fight, by your logic not mine. Darchinyan isn't in the Nonito Donaire business now that Donaire is with Top Rank opposed to Gary Shaw. Since that fight can't happen and as you put it, a fight with Moruti Mthalane his mandatory doesn't make sense, fighting Cristian Mijares would be a much more productive matchup. Since both are under the same promotional banner, this fight could be coming sooner rather than later. You have a differing opinion than mine on the fight yet I don't try to discredit it as bias. Why? Because I find meaningful debate much more productive than finger-pointing and labeling.

dude ur clearly ignorant this statement alone says it the arce hype before that fight was all over the place mijares was an underdog You're the ignorant 1 if you think "Hype" or being the underdog has any bearing on the outcome of a fight. Vegas was clearly capitalizing on Arce's fame and fan friendly style. But anyone who had followed both men's careers knew that Arce was past prime and that Mijares was a dangerous title defense because of his technical superiority over Arce. With that said Mijares is the rightful and most highly regarded champ in his division but to think that Donaire just doesnt have the tools to give Mijares fits is far from being objective. It would be a hell of a fight and I think it would come right down to the wire.

you didnt answer the point about the unfinished business. Give him a break, that's a hard one to back up.

hmmm i just saw u voted for donaire by ko for a writer and so called boxing expert u could use some objectivity i mean ur clearly biased cuz this kid is pinoy, or maybe u hate on mexicans i saw a thread u made on how margarito had no chance and what not really biased stuff seriously ive seen more objectivity on smart posters like silencers kayjay dweins mijares is a p4p fighter on almost every list wake up you didnt answer the point about the unfinished business.

hmmm i just saw u voted for donaire by ko for a writer and so called boxing expert u could use some objectivity i mean ur clearly biased cuz this kid is pinoy, or maybe u hate on mexicans i saw a thread u made on how margarito had no chance and what not really biased stuff seriously ive seen more objectivity on smart posters like silencers kayjay dweins mijares is a p4p fighter on almost every list wake up You didn't answer anything I said, just attacked me personally. Do you have anything to say about my post, or not? Because there are a lot of people who I can make sweet chat with on BoxingScene.

dude ur clearly ignorant this statement alone says it the arce hype before that fight was all over the place mijares was an underdog Odds are about betting, and Arce's HBO and Showtime exposure made him much more familiar to gamblers than Mijares, who had only been profiled on Top Rank PPV undercards. It doesn't really underline any great perceived prefight advantage for Arce. Afterall Oscar has only been an underdog twice and has more than 2 losses.

u guys really expect some alphabet champ to go up in weight and defeat the undisputed champ? i mean guys wake up donaire aint pacquiao, hes good but he is not p4p material he also has unfinished business with darchinyan Mijares is the lineal champ but with Montiel and Darchinyan having belts in the same division he's far from undisputed. He looked damn good against Arce but shit against Maldonado who Donaire took to skool. Darchinyan is also a far better name on the resume because Arce was on the downslope of his career while vic fought 2 very tough solid fighters en route to another belt after his loss

u guys really expect some alphabet champ to go up in weight and defeat the undisputed champ? i mean guys wake up donaire aint pacquiao, hes good but he is not p4p material he also has unfinished business with darchinyan How do you have unfinished business with someone you KO'ed in the first half of a fight that wasn't close? I'm not saying Donaire can walk through Mijares like he did Darchinyan because those are two very different styles but I think Donaire should be in a fight like that. He's a difficult fight for anyone because of his speed and his power, which is unrivaled in those lower weights. No one else is scoring one punch knockouts like Darchinyan. I think he's the lightest fighter ever to get Ring Magazine's KO of the year. He brings a lot of star power to those lower weights. Also the alphabet champion who preceded Donaire was the highest regarded in the division at the time of the KO and still undefeated. Semantics can downplay any fighter.

Xcaret was more impressed by Mijares' draw than Donaire's KO with Maldonado. It dont matter to him as long as they're mexican. If Maldonado won both fights he'd be riding his dick instead of Mijares's