Yep, and grapplers with shitty stand up get beat up really bad when they can't take their opponent down.
And when can they not take their opponents down? When their opponent has learned some defensive wrestling and learned to stuff shots and avoid clinch takedowns.
Art Jimmerson, now this is not a TOP boxer, but he was number 10 ranked IBF lightheavyweight, So its still a top 10 ranked boxer.
He was 5'11, 195pounds, 29-5 (20) Gracie was 6'1 and 178 and had basicly no punching so this is wat happened......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCsyGduUvzE
why did he tap?
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Thread should be deleted IMO.
I agree, I don't know why I wasted my time aguing with these fools.
This has not been proven in anyway, shape or form. When have you seen a fight between a top grappler against a top boxer, it has never happened.
Art Jimmerson, now this is not a TOP boxer, but he was number 10 ranked IBF lightheavyweight, So its still a top 10 ranked boxer.
He was 5'11, 195pounds, 29-5 (20) Gracie was 6'1 and 178 and had basicly no punching so this is wat happened......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCsyGduUvzE
There are not many fights between between true top boxers and grapplers, but there have been many instances of world class kickboxers, whose striking skills far exceed those of any fighters in MMA going in to MMA fights and being quickly submitted.
Although the most recent example of a boxer vs grappler would be in 2004, when Francois Botha fought a 185lb judoka named Yoshihiro Akiyama making his debut in MMA and was quickly taken down and submitted by armbar in under 2 minutes.
It has long been proven that pure strikers who make no effort in learning any takedown defence prior to entering a competition with a pure grappler nearly always get taken down and submitted quickly.
Yep, and grapplers with shitty stand up get beat up really bad when they can't take their opponent down.
If chuck lliddell can be so dominant with his sloppy ass striking and tim silvia imagine what Wlad Klit can do if taught some takedown defense.. can u take some bum off the street i.e Kimbo slice and headline him on national tv in boxing after a few months of training lol i dont think so
also u say strikers beat grapplers 99% of time.. thats not true in the UFC most of those champions fight stand up.. Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell, St Pierre, Silvia, silva,robbie lawler etc..
Chuck Liddell was a division 1 collegiate wrestler long before he started kickboxing.
Tim Sylvia was a high school wrestler, Franklin had a wrestling background and BJJ brown belt, GSP has trained his wrestling for a long time with the candian olympic team and is to be honest, a supernaturally talented freak in that he was able to completely out-wrestle Matt Hughes, an All American wrestler.
Anderson Silva has a BJJ black belt and is a ridiculously good grappler.
Lawler also came from a wrestling background.
Every fighter you listed there was a wrestler first, except for Anderson Silva who started grappling not long after starting striking.
The only fighter to come from a pure striking background and picked up takedown defense relatively late in their game to make a serious dent in the rankings is Mirko Crocop, and even he, as dangerous as he is still ends up on his back.
Saying "all you have to do is teach world class boxer x good takedown defence" is as stupid as saying "well just teach that olympic wrestler elite boxing". Defensive wrestling and submission defence is incredibly hard to pick up.
This has not been proven in anyway, shape or form. When have you seen a fight between a top grappler against a top boxer, it has never happened.
teach cotto MMA for 2 months and hes champ
There are not many fights between between true top boxers and grapplers, but there have been many instances of world class kickboxers, whose striking skills far exceed those of any fighters in MMA going in to MMA fights and being quickly submitted.
Although the most recent example of a boxer vs grappler would be in 2004, when Francois Botha fought a 185lb judoka named Yoshihiro Akiyama making his debut in MMA and was quickly taken down and submitted by armbar in under 2 minutes.
It has long been proven that pure strikers who make no effort in learning any takedown defence prior to entering a competition with a pure grappler nearly always get taken down and submitted quickly.
You call an old out of Botha a top boxer, please. MMa is shit and most of its fighters are overrated. Exept for Anderson Sylva.
I find it funny the person that made the video called the video clips random yet it's notably mediocre mma fights alongside some of the most noteworthy boxing highlights in recent memory. why not put it alongside some notable mma matches??
OMG! You think Tom Select vs. the Hot One was a notable MMA fight? Gross.. That was like one of worst mismatches and no-talent fights I've ever watched in my whole life..
No wonder I like boxing so much because of the intense action and drama in bout unlike in MMA where fights tend to wild swinging and tedious to watch.
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oook. that is a clear mma hate video. those were carefully picked fights on both sides. even the mma fights that he did choose, he didn't even pick the most exciting moments during those fights. thats just nonsensical hate.
This has not been proven in anyway, shape or form. When have you seen a fight between a top grappler against a top boxer, it has never happened.
There are not many fights between between true top boxers and grapplers, but there have been many instances of world class kickboxers, whose striking skills far exceed those of any fighters in MMA going in to MMA fights and being quickly submitted.
Although the most recent example of a boxer vs grappler would be in 2004, when Francois Botha fought a 185lb judoka named Yoshihiro Akiyama making his debut in MMA and was quickly taken down and submitted by armbar in under 2 minutes.
It has long been proven that pure strikers who make no effort in learning any takedown defence prior to entering a competition with a pure grappler nearly always get taken down and submitted quickly.
I find it funny the person that made the video called the video clips random yet it's notably mediocre mma fights alongside some of the most noteworthy boxing highlights in recent memory. why not put it alongside some notable mma matches??
Sooo....what you're saying is that you're insecure with yourself and have body issues.
Actually, if you're looking at the UFC, most of them are former high school and collegiate wrestling champions and world class brazilian jiujitsu black belts.
Pure grappler beats a pure striker 99% of the time, this has been proven time and time again. That is the draw, is that the fighters in MMA would be able to defeat boxers in a form of combat where the boxer is not in anyway limited in what they can do within that fight. Of all combat sports athletes on earth, MMA fighters are best placed to defeat the other top level athletes from other combat sports. The top level MMA fighters can in theory, take down and submit the worlds best boxers and kickboxers, submit the worlds best wrestlers and stop the takedowns and knock out the worlds best submission artists.
If chuck lliddell can be so dominant with his sloppy ass striking and tim silvia imagine what Wlad Klit can do if taught some takedown defense.. can u take some bum off the street i.e Kimbo slice and headline him on national tv in boxing after a few months of training lol i dont think so
also u say strikers beat grapplers 99% of time.. thats not true in the UFC most of those champions fight stand up.. Rich Franklin, Chuck Liddell, St Pierre, Silvia, silva,robbie lawler etc..
I never knew that street fighting was an art. And women roll and fight on the ground. Guys stand up and punch and when it goes to the ground either
One guy is on top smashing the other dudes face or one guy is standing up kicking and throwing puros chingasos.
MMA is rubbing chest hair and hugging on the ground. FUCK THAT!!!!
Well typically an MMA fighters training schedule will comprise of roughly equal parts:
muay thai/kickboxing
boxing
freestyle or greco roman wrestling
brazilian jiujitsu/submission grappling
I fail to see how any of those are not arts.
"It's for women" and "FUCK THAT"
Hmmm, yes, brilliant justification as to why grappling has less intrinsic worth as a sport than stand-up fighting. Can you provide some verifiable proof as to why grappling "is for women" as you say? You're still not using anything other than your opinion.
Actually, if you're looking at the UFC, most of them are former high school and collegiate wrestling champions and world class brazilian jiujitsu black belts.
Pure grappler beats a pure striker 99% of the time, this has been proven time and time again. That is the draw, is that the fighters in MMA would be able to defeat boxers in a form of combat where the boxer is not in anyway limited in what they can do within that fight. Of all combat sports athletes on earth, MMA fighters are best placed to defeat the other top level athletes from other combat sports. The top level MMA fighters can in theory, take down and submit the worlds best boxers and kickboxers, submit the worlds best wrestlers and stop the takedowns and knock out the worlds best submission artists.
This has not been proven in anyway, shape or form. When have you seen a fight between a top grappler against a top boxer, it has never happened.
Best fighters in the world what a joke? Most of these guys are overhyped bums and a lot of the fights look like highly evolved schoolyard fighting.
Actually, if you're looking at the UFC, most of them are former high school and collegiate wrestling champions and world class brazilian jiujitsu black belts.
Pure grappler beats a pure striker 99% of the time, this has been proven time and time again. That is the draw, is that the fighters in MMA would be able to defeat boxers in a form of combat where the boxer is not in anyway limited in what they can do within that fight. Of all combat sports athletes on earth, MMA fighters are best placed to defeat the other top level athletes from other combat sports. The top level MMA fighters can in theory, take down and submit the worlds best boxers and kickboxers, submit the worlds best wrestlers and stop the takedowns and knock out the worlds best submission artists.
I think people miss that one of the main draws of MMA is that when you watch it you are actually watching the best fighters in the world. That's what drew me to it, even though I didn't immediately understand all the intricacies of grappling, the appeal was that this is the reality of fighting, and it compelled me to make myself understand the sport.
And for people saying "grappling is gay", I'd like to know if you can provide any verifiable proof for this statement, beyond your own opinion.
Best fighters in the world what a joke? Most of these guys are overhyped bums and a lot of the fights look like highly evolved schoolyard fighting.
I think people miss that one of the main draws of MMA is that when you watch it you are actually watching the best fighters in the world. That's what drew me to it, even though I didn't immediately understand all the intricacies of grappling, the appeal was that this is the reality of fighting, and it compelled me to make myself understand the sport. Even if some of the fights are slow, that's fine to me because that's the nature of the sport, grappling usually takes longer to progress. I don't expect the sport to change for me, if you want to be a fan of the sport, you should become a fan of it as it is, not expect it to change and become more fast paced because you want it to be.
And for people saying "grappling is gay", I'd like to know if you can provide any verifiable proof for this statement, beyond your own opinion.