All this talk about Roy hasnt done anything to deserve a fight with calz but yet the fight is going to happen. roy called out calz and calz turned down a pavlik fight for it. so my question is. If roy is a shot and undeserving fighter than why does calz going to fight him??
Hey Expert.
Are you telling me you saw Roy perform like he could beat a guy like Calzaghe in the last 3 years?
What did he do in style against quality opposition?
Was he showing the old timing and reflexes?
Was he showing Power and confidence?
Was he showing speed and guile?
no he is not saying that. but again why doesnt calz be a true p4p king and fight someone in the top 10 unlike roy did. roy is not top 10 (your words not mine). so why bash roy for something calz is going to do in september. there where guys out there roy could have fought that is in the top 10 but those same guys are there now for calz.
i think we' entering a deeper debate which revolves around how high you value two opposing values - either people favour
a) how accomplished the fighter is
OR
B) who thet fighter has beaten
personally i always thought that option A required more insight and knowledge about the sweet science and the fighter which is why casual fans love to point at a fighters record. bear in mind the fact that this is one of the biggest boxing forums on the net so it has plenty of casual fans.
i agree but im saying this bc these calz nuthuggers are dissing roy for not fight top 10 fighters and they said bc roy isnt. ok he hasnt fought that top comp yet. so than why should calz take a fight with a fighter who is not only in the top 10 but a guy who hasnt fought a top 10 fighter in the past 3 years. thats what im saying. i know anymore its all about money. but than dont sit here and diss roy for it when calz is about to do it when there are top 10 fighters there who wants to fight.
sorry should ave elaborated on option B - which is basically who that fighter has beaten but also who that fighter has lost too. its basically the fighters record.
most fans who favour option A are more likely to have calzaghe top of the p4p tree than pacman, most fans who favour option B are more likely to favour pacman.
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He is iron chinned.
Does that make me a fan?
Joe has fought a long line of mediocrity.
I never said I was a fan.
EVER.
Now answer my question numbnuts.
By the way whether Roy deserves it or not he brings $ and easy $ at that for Joe.
i answered it 5 times already dude. your bashing the past 3 years of roys career. yet your sitting here saying its for the money ok i can believe that. but now dont diss roy when calz isnt taking a younger better fighter than roy. diss calz for it. come out and say that calz is ducking pavlik bc pavlik wanted the fight. your is so shot yet he getting a fight a younger fighter who is hungry and wants the big fights. dont diss roy for doing what calz is doing now.
i agree with you and im not bashing calz im simply saying there are people on here than say for hasnt fought legit fighters in 3 years so why does he deserve this fight. i cant wait for it either. im just simply stating people bashing jones and praising calz who has fought legit fighters over the past 3 years and roy hasnt yet calz is fighting (their words not mine) shot to hell roy jones not a LEGIT fighter.
i think we' entering a deeper debate which revolves around how high you value two opposing values - either people favour
a) how accomplished the fighter is
OR
B) who thet fighter has beaten
personally i always thought that option A required more insight and knowledge about the sweet science and the fighter which is why casual fans love to point at a fighters record. bear in mind the fact that this is one of the biggest boxing forums on the net so it has plenty of casual fans.
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Money. Plus he'll probably get credit for beating Roy, just like Lennox Lewis got credit for beating a shot Mike Tyson or Jack Johnson got credit for beating an old James J. Jeffries who hadn't fought in 6 years.
All this talk about Roy hasnt done anything to deserve a fight with calz but yet the fight is going to happen. roy called out calz and calz turned down a pavlik fight for it. so my question is. If roy is a shot and undeserving fighter than why does calz going to fight him??
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fuckin hell fire!!!!! cant beleve some of the shit and anti-calzaghe shit that is being spouted on this forum and this thread.
stylistically speaking RJJ is not an easy fight for calz yet he is preferring that fight one to the fight with pavlik.
calz has always said that he needs the best fighters and a real challenge to get the best out of him otherwise he gets complacent thats why he spent his best yrs chasing down fighters like RJJ and hopkins.
he seeks out the challenge which is something that cannot be said of every other great fighter (yes im looking at you floyd).
stylistcally pavlik is easy for calz and way more predictable and methodical he woud be just like kessler and calz would just follow the same blueprint and win.
no calz needs challenge - personally i cant wait for theRJJ vs calzaghe fight it would be the ultimate sweet science. id like to see how calz is going to adapt and improvise against a fighter who is actually quicker and more talented than joe - should be interesting.
only an idiot would think that this fight is going to be easy for calz, styles make fights and calzaghes style is not suited to RJJ yet he is still expected to win.i think that says volumes about the welshman dont you?
i agree with you and im not bashing calz im simply saying there are people on here than say for hasnt fought legit fighters in 3 years so why does he deserve this fight. i cant wait for it either. im just simply stating people bashing jones and praising calz who has fought legit fighters over the past 3 years and roy hasnt yet calz is fighting (their words not mine) shot to hell roy jones not a LEGIT fighter.
****in hell fire!!!!! cant beleve some of the **** and anti-calzaghe **** that is being spouted on this forum and this thread.
stylistically speaking RJJ is not an easy fight for calz yet he is preferring that fight one to the fight with pavlik.
calz has always said that he needs the best fighters and a real challenge to get the best out of him otherwise he gets complacent thats why he spent his best yrs chasing down fighters like RJJ and hopkins.
he seeks out the challenge which is something that cannot be said of every other great fighter (yes im looking at you floyd).
stylistcally pavlik is easy for calz and way more predictable and methodical he woud be just like kessler and calz would just follow the same blueprint and win.
no calz needs challenge - personally i cant wait for theRJJ vs calzaghe fight it would be the ultimate sweet science. id like to see how calz is going to adapt and improvise against a fighter who is actually quicker and more talented than joe - should be interesting.
only an idiot would think that this fight is going to be easy for calz, styles make fights and calzaghes style is not suited to RJJ yet he is still expected to win.i think that says volumes about the welshman dont you?
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Remind me Brains ...who did Roy beat in the last 3 years who was rated at Supermiddle or Light Heavy???
I must've forgot?
i agreed with you jackass look at your thread i agreed with you. so if he hasnt fought anyone why does he deserve a fight with calz when there are guys out there who do deserve it. your right you must've forgot.
I couldn't give a shit about Calzaghe.
He has hands of Talcum and avoided any serious challenge for most of his career.
in your other thread he was an ironed chin fighter now you dont like him. i think you fianlly relized that calz shouldnt be fighting roy he should be fighting someone that has fought legit comp in the past 3 years.
OK Brains WHEN DID I SAY HE DIDN'T DESERVE a FIGHT?
What I am saying is ROY IS SHOT TO PIECES.
He has NOT PROVED HIMSELF against ANYBODY since his BRUTAL CRUSHING DEFEATS FOUR YEARS AGO.
He has been playing tip tap with nobodies and men who were NEVER proven world class at 168 or above..
Or can you prove me wrong?
if he hasnt fought any legit fighter than why does he deserve a fight at calz who is top two p4p depending the list. there are alot of other guys who has fought legit fighters in the past 3 years so why does roy get that shot that those fighters dont? thats what im asking by bashing roy and saying he hasnt fought anyone legit in the past three years is saying he doesnt deserve a shot at one of the best fighters in the world.