Many ATG's have retired in there Prime! Not just PBF.

not really. manny was 146 for his super featherweight fight. castillo was 155+ in the ring when he would make weight at 135. the height is a major factor too. guys are tall for they're weight class now. you are mentioning guys who had to move up in their next fight! also the type of shape they were in is different, the throwbacks in terms of condiitoning, who show more similar bodies to past fighters are PBF and Hop. Mayweather weighed in less than 140 for his entire stay at 130. Hopkins did not balloon up after the weigh in. And if you check the heights you will roughly see that a middleweight who was less than 6ft back then, would now be a welterweight or juniormiddle, only in very rare cases a jr.welter,lightweight.

2 divisions... that's a bit too much, I think it's a bit less than 1, but it's a very fair point that I try to keep in mind when thinking of fantasy fights across eras. I am surprised that some of the most knowledgeable posters (and I am talking about the ”historians“ here, such as cple, yogi, sabbath...) dont consider this fact when considering matchups. not really. manny was 146 for his super featherweight fight. castillo was 155+ in the ring when he would make weight at 135. the height is a major factor too. guys are tall for they're weight class now.

different era jim. there was very little weight cutting/draining back then. lightweights now would be middleweights then. besides you don't agree that rocky's best fights were against light heavyweights? light heavies and heavies fought all the time back then , one of joe louis' most memorable fight was againt conn. 2 divisions... that's a bit too much, I think it's a bit less than 1, but it's a very fair point that I try to keep in mind when thinking of fantasy fights across eras. I am surprised that some of the most knowledgeable posters (and I am talking about the ”historians“ here, such as cple, yogi, sabbath...) dont consider this fact when considering matchups.

well i stil wud of wanted to see cotto fight mayweather.

Well, he cleaned out LHW....:ugh: i forgot about that.

with modern diet and training. who's to say rocky doesn't look like tyson or the young tua. True. And just like back then there is more fame and money at HW.

Why is that? I see no reason to think he wouldn't fight at HW if he was around today. with modern diet and training. who's to say rocky doesn't look like tyson or the young tua.

Pretty funny when a 185 lber get flack for beating one of the best LHWs in history, Ezzard Charles. What weight do you think Marciano would be fighting to day? Ding, ding, ding, you guessed it, LHW. different era jim. there was very little weight cutting/draining back then. lightweights now would be middleweights then. besides you don't agree that rocky's best fights were against light heavyweights? light heavies and heavies fought all the time back then , one of joe louis' most memorable fight was againt conn.

Pretty funny when a 185 lber get flack for beating one of the best LHWs in history, Ezzard Charles. What weight do you think Marciano would be fighting to day? Ding, ding, ding, you guessed it, LHW. Why is that? I see no reason to think he wouldn't fight at HW if he was around today.

Pretty funny when a 185 lber get flack for beating one of the best LHWs in history, Ezzard Charles. What weight do you think Marciano would be fighting to day? Ding, ding, ding, you guessed it, LHW. Or cruiserweight because he actually cut weight to get down to 185-190.

lmao that's a great one. too bad it'll be lost on most of these guys that don't really follow boxing history. still lmao. Pretty funny when a 185 lber get flack for beating one of the best LHWs in history, Ezzard Charles. What weight do you think Marciano would be fighting to day? Ding, ding, ding, you guessed it, LHW.

Well, he cleaned out LHW....:ugh: lmao that's a great one. too bad it'll be lost on most of these guys that don't really follow boxing history. still lmao.

I agree with the OP. If he lost his desire or feels that his body is breaking down and decided to retire on top with a lot of money, then I'm happy for him because a lot of fighters don't get the chance to do so. But as a boxing fan, I would have liked to see him fight the top guys at 147 before retiring.

lol @ marciano cleaning out a division Well, he cleaned out LHW....:ugh:

I like Marciano, but he takes a lot of heat for his resume as well. very good point , live. retiring undefeated doesn't automatically mean all-time greatness. joe louis and ali both have losses and both are generally ranked higher than rocky. imo rocky is great but holmes , dempsey and lewis are above him as well. just my opinion though.

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano. The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around. lol @ marciano cleaning out a division

Whats sad is that people dont realize half of it is for promotion.. true that......

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano. The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around. I like Marciano, but he takes a lot of heat for his resume as well.

The obvious picks are Gene Tunney & Rocky Marciano. The big problem with a comparison to Floyd is that both of these guys had cleaned out their respective divisions, & fought pretty well all the top guys around.

i agree with you. believe me i might not like floyd personally but i'm not a blind floyd hater that calls him chicken and stuff. nor do i really believe that he ducked anyone. he was a bit more picky with his fights than i would like but that is neither here or there. my argument was the thread starter's called him an all time great and while i agree he has all time great talent his resume doesn't measure up with the others. i understand it's not his fault he doesn't have a duran or hearns to go with his leonard or a frazier or liston to his ali but he could've just racked up the numbers with solid wins. hagler didn't have anyone 'til hearns and leonard came along to dance but what he did was just beat everyone in his division. unfortunately for floyd he jumped around in weights instead of cleaning up his divisions and as you say lost out on his "moment" when dumbass zab didn't show up against baldomir and when the kostya chose a ricky fight instead. I like what you had to say especially the bold. PBF wasn't born in the greatest era but it wasn't a weak era either. I understand your point of racking up solid wins. But truth be told his jumping weights was better than just beating everybody at one weight IMO. For 130 I would have liked the Casamayor fight but a win over Frietas wouldn't mean shit right now as far as resume goes. Frietas is viewed as a quitter, he was good back then but over the long haul turned out to be nothing really. After beating Castillo twice at 135 he really had no reason to stay. At 140 he could have stayed a little longer but the fights he was looking for weren't being made. Hatton took to long, many people forget that part of PBF vs. Brussles fight was to measure how Cotto would do against PBF because it was said that Cotto and Brussles had similar styles. I am not say Brussles and Cotto are in the same league as fighters. We all see how that turned out. PBF could have done a lot more work at 140 and 147. At the sametime to me PBF has earned the right to only fight the top 3 ranked fighters at 147. Even though he didn't fight them (which he should have) anybody ranked from 4-10 would have been a waste of time.