I was thinking who would have the best D of all time? I was thinking of how swift Mayweather is head movement, body angles, etc. Hopkins was good at slipping punches and countering as well. Wright had those long arms that protected his entire body and just jabbed. They are usually boring fighters, they aren't willing to take one to give one but who's defense is the best, who countered the best?
P.S. I am a younger guy so I don't remember all the fighters from 80's and back, I do watch the older fights whenever I can.
Willie Pep, he won a round without throwing a punch
Naahhhh, man he definitely didn't. That fight, surprisingly, was one of Peps more offensive fights. How that myth came about is really strange....? The actual reports of that fight from the news sources of the time have that fight being a brawl and even more funny is that they mention the exact round that Pep was supposed to have won without throwing a punch as one of the most aggressive in the fight with both guys throwing and landing big bombs! :lol1:
Great story though. The other thing is, that Jackie Graves was not the type of fighter anyone could win a round against without throwing one punch. He was a great fighter.
As for the best ever; there are just too many with hugely different styles of defense. Locche was certainly one of the greatest at being able to simply stand in front of anyone, no matter how great, and make them miss everything!!! Now that guy was a freak! He beat some scarily good fighters.
Of course the great Pep is always a front runner for the best defense ever as well as being one of the best fighters full stop!
Miguel Canto was brilliant. Roberto Duran was certainly the greatest defensive fighter that based his fighting on offense. To be able to stand on the inside like he did and break down fighters without getting hit was just stunning! His slip and counter head movement on the inside was the best ever I think. I find that more impressive than being a purely defensive counter puncher as you're always taking more chances.
Pernell Whitaker goes with saying. He just had everything defensively a fighter could ever need as well as a fighters instinct.
James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, Hopkins etc etc for contemporary fighters.
Wilfred Benitez could have been one of the best if he had liked to train more. Perfect counter punch game. Just watch his fight against Cervantes!
Wright is the man to watch if you have big long forearms and a small head.
Ezzard Charles was one of the guys to use the 'Philly Shell' defense to great effect, as was the Aussie boxer Johnny Famechon back in the sixties. Famechon was an underrated defensive great. Perfect shoulder roll and foot movement!
Nadal :) I posted about the artois championship to you the other day. Great final, I thought Nadal would lose to Roddick when the match was underway cause' Roddick was winning games on his serve alone. Nadal will win wimbledon this year.
Fingers crossed, man... I actually was more worried about Djokovic that Nadal.. He was down 3 love in the first set and I was thinking ahead but damn- he impressed me with the effort he put out there.
Let's not forget that Federer dominated his own grass court tourney at the same time, though.. I wouldn't make Rafa the favorite just yet, though I expect him to make the finals.
My personal pick is for Radar Benitez.
Nicolino Locche is up there too.
Herol Graham wasn't the absolute best but defininitely the most underrated defensive wiz.
Nadal :) I posted about the artois championship to you the other day. Great final, I thought Nadal would lose to Roddick when the match was underway cause' Roddick was winning games on his serve alone. Nadal will win wimbledon this year.
My personal pick is for Radar Benitez.
Nicolino Locche is up there too.
Herol Graham wasn't the absolute best but defininitely the most underrated defensive wiz.
Apparently that's a myth.
It was supposed to be against Graves, but the news reports said they both threw a lot of shots in that round.
Yea, I heard that as well but then I heard Bert Sugar talk about it saying that He won the round without throwing a single punch.
Willie Pep, he won a round without throwing a punch
Apparently that's a myth.
It was supposed to be against Graves, but the news reports said they both threw a lot of shots in that round.
Yeah I forgot how amazing he was in his prime. He fought everyone and made them all look bad. Win or lose, they looked bad at some point against him. If he had a lot of power he would be right up there with Robinson for greatest of all time.
I can think of someone more recently who had just as good yet different defense adding power. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Mayweather & Roy Jones had great movement, but I think Mayweather has better defense overall. I forgot about Pernell Whitaker too, but I never watched him much.
hasnt lost more than 6-7 rounds?????dude's got like 3 SD's.....and at least 1 of them is 100% legit .....
true.. maybe i exagerated just a lil bit :banana: ... !! and its only 2 split D... just in case... soo.. lets sum.... correction he only has lost 10 of 279 rounds.... this guys defense need some improvements !!:boxing: