All the ATG's had a career defining fight. Which was Floyd's?

Ali vs Frazier Duran vs Leonard Hagler vs Hearns etc...... Which fight did Floyd have that put him on the map with past atg's? What was his "legacy" fight? Corrales or Hatton. Two undefeated champions who Mayweather outclassed and demolished.

Thats not what we are discussing here. Tell me out of the list that you just pull out who stands shoulder to shoulder with say duran. Thats a tall order for anyone to stand shoulder to shoulder with top 5 greatest fighter. Not eve PBF stands shoulder to shulder with Duran.

He had a torn rotator cuff....... Watch Floyd in both fights..its night and day. i've already said the second Castillo fight was just as tough for Mayweather, more boring from what i first recalled and close

Why dont you just accept the fact that Chico lost that fight fair and square. You are willing to give Chico every excuse in the world, yet when mayweather complained of shoulder issues in the first castillo fight, a fight in which he won, you whine your ass off about it, even though he rematched him immediately. If you are going to say Chico was weight drained, then you must awknowledge that mayweather was injured in that 1st castillo fight. Mayweather that i recall never had surgery on his shoulder. Every fighter that looks like shit its because some problem. He ain't the first to give excuses. The second Castillo fight is a lot closer then most recall.

I haven't read all this thread, so I don't know what other people said, but the problem with Floyd was that there was no-one good enough to give him that fight. I cannot think of a single boxer who would realistically be even close. Best I can up with is Kostya Tsyzu and a prime Casamayor maybe, but I don't actually think either would have beaten him. Now I know you're all going to say Cotto, but I personally just don't agree. Cotto is strong powerful, quite fast etc etc, but I think if we're realistic we all know it would just be some kind of bizarre hybrid between the Hatton and ODLH fights, ultimately dominated by Floyd's trademarked potshot leading to UD technique, with a few Hatton style exchanges along the way. I disaggree Castillo, Hatton, Delahoya, Chavez, Hernandez, Judah all gave him tough fights. Floyd just doesn't fight enough to slip as other champions who have fought consistanly have slipped(they think they don't have to train hard, they get injured, etc) And Floyd has picked his opponsition very carfully. Part of boxing is hype....

If Mayweather NEVER fights Cotto, or doesn't fight again, he won't even be in the discussion when people talk P4P all time. Leonard retired but came back to fight the best out there, and I hope Mayweather follows suit but I hope he doens't take a 3 year layoff and decide to come back at 34, only to have his legacy tarnished. He should suffer now, fight now, get everything done, then live the rest of his life as a champion as Ali would say. He holds too much responsibilty to a sport that has been extremely good to him, gave him wealth. He owes boxing that. Fortunately, I'd find it very hard to retire at THIRTY NINE and 0 losses. One more win would put him at 40-0. Plus, all the millions of dollars he would make for every fight, he's gonna come back. It's guaranteed. Give it if not the end of the year, a couple years. Once they give the title away, and take away his highly regard Pound for Pound #1 title, which he loves so much, he'll be back. If it makes dollars it makes sense.

Go back and pick up a full broadcast copy of that fight. And you will see and hear what i have been saying and what people have been saying leading up to that fight. I knew you weren't a boxing fan when Ivan Robinson was coming up as a pro. Why dont you just accept the fact that Chico lost that fight fair and square. You are willing to give Chico every excuse in the world, yet when mayweather complained of shoulder issues in the first castillo fight, a fight in which he won, you whine your ass off about it, even though he rematched him immediately. If you are going to say Chico was weight drained, then you must awknowledge that mayweather was injured in that 1st castillo fight.

I haven't read all this thread, so I don't know what other people said, but the problem with Floyd was that there was no-one good enough to give him that fight. I cannot think of a single boxer who would realistically be even close. Best I can up with is Kostya Tsyzu and a prime Casamayor maybe, but I don't actually think either would have beaten him. Now I know you're all going to say Cotto, but I personally just don't agree. Cotto is strong powerful, quite fast etc etc, but I think if we're realistic we all know it would just be some kind of bizarre hybrid between the Hatton and ODLH fights, ultimately dominated by Floyd's trademarked potshot leading to UD technique, with a few Hatton style exchanges along the way.

I might be inclined to agree with you, but...: 1. Corrales had been making 130 for years and made 130 for 3 years after the fight. 3 years! Three years. I find it hard to believe that making 130 for this fight was what made him unable to land 10 punches in any round. 2. His issue wasn't with stamina, he just couldn't touch Mayweather from the opening bell. Mayweather's jabs and pull-counters were perfection and he was able to slip almost any punch that he wanted, he was just a nightmare stylistically for Corrales. Ever notice that Lampley starts every fight saying "(insert Mayweather opponent here) says that he wants to bang on Mayweather's arms, shoulders, and body until he wears down" and yet they never do it? That's because they underestimate Mayweather's defense and counterpunching, which is why Corrales never landed the punches that he thought would come easy. It also didn't help that Corrales had comically short T-Rex arms and no jab. It had nothing to do with being weight-drained. Go back and pick up a full broadcast copy of that fight. And you will see and hear what i have been saying and what people have been saying leading up to that fight. Actually ESPN classic...saw his history when they show is fight with Vivian Harris son. I knew you weren't a boxing fan when Ivan Robinson was coming up as a pro.

Hes not an ATG, but his best performance was against Diego

What is Cotto's? People aren't claiming that Cotto is an all time great. Yet. If Mayweather is gone then that means that the Ring championship lies vacant at 147. Typically the new champ is crowned based on a fight between the top two contenders. The top two ranked contenders at 147 lbs are Cotto and Mosely. Does this mean that Cotto is automatically crowned champ?

I would say a combination of retiring undefeated and beating De La Hoya. He pursued Oscar for his whole career, so beating Oscar on Oscar's terms and at 154 was huge. A real big part of Floyd's legacy is winning titles in 5 divisions without any real close fights (other than the first Castillo fight)

I would say bout with Corrales was breakout, even competitor high profile fight.It was also 7 years ago.

I do agree, at this point, the only fight that mayweather took where it looked like he might actually get touched or knocked out was the chico fight, you can say he was weight drained or whatever but thats the same shit people say about the jones jr/toney fight and personally you are grasping for straws since like ACE said, he stayed in the class 3 years before even moving up. Either way, weather 2501 likes it or not, there is no one who looks unbeatable or untouchable thats near floyd mayweather jrs weight class. Cotto is not on that level for the simple fact that as good a talent that Cotto is, hes not on that level, by that i mean, how would cotto fair against not just someone whos the same size as him, but bigger? How would he do at 154 against someone who actually comes in at 163 or some nature like that. Thats why mayweather gets the credit he gets, because hes beaten guys that for the most part, are basically all bigger than him. We see many ways, proven time and again as to why mayweather could likely beat everyone welterweight, granted, we all HATE that hes not fighting them all, its not like there is much of a question if he would win or not because his methods are proven time and again that hes capable of winning, at this point, fans are so frustrated with his abilities that he basically has to offensively engage these guys moreso than ever to prove his ability to excite fans. Mayweather could potshot/counterpunch his way through every single fight at this point and win, thats how good he is. Name one fighter who could do that with nearly every opponent, elite or great near his weight class. Cotto couldnt, Margarito couldnt, Quintana has already proven he couldnt etc. Floyd at this stage of his career isnt going to have that defining fight, because when he was cleaning out 130/135, none of you cared about him, and you all look to discredit him one way or the other at that stage of his career anyway by ranting about Chicos weight issue. Hes simply that good, and if you think im nuthugging or thinking too much of him, then fine, but i if you can say with a straight face that the Cotto is on that level of skill then go ahead, but hes not.

Well someone like you would know more than me, But something along the line of "But torres nearly KO cotto though"...."lol the same guy that corley made to dance a chicken dance" hahaha blah blah blah..something along those line if you get me. Both those fights were at 140, where Cotto has said that he was suffering to make weight, and it took a toll on him in his fights. Since moving to 147, Cotto has been the most proven and impressive WW in the division.

for those saying floyd doesnt have anybody good around him is lying to themselves. Love him or hate him i always respected Oscar de la hoya for going out and taking on big name fighters whether he had to move up to do so or not take big pay days to fight guys who werent big money generators or great fighters. here are alot of fighters floyd could take on 1. Miguel Cotto 2. Antonio Margarito 3. Shane Mosley 4 Winky wright @ 154 5. Carlos Quintana 6 Vernon Forrest 7. Cory Spinks and maybe a few middleweights can meet him at 154 for big name fights (highley unlikely) I have noticed that floyd has took the easy road at each division he has been at fighter one good fighter at that class and moving on. I will agree with you on Cotto and Mosley, thats it. Margarito has 5 losses and the only reason he should have did it is for 8 mill bob offered. Winky bore me Wright at 154 are you serious. Quintana was a bum after the Cotto fight now he is worthy after beating Williams. Forrest has been injured for 10 years now and Cory Spinks couldn't sell enough tickets in his hometown.

Of course it will be a bigger win for Cotto than it would for Floyd. Floyd is the pfp #1 in the sport. Nonetheless, it will be Floyd's biggest win to date, it he were to actually win. What can be said about Cotto RIGHT NOW that would discredit a win for Floyd? Well someone like you would know more than me, But something along the line of "But torres nearly KO cotto though"...."lol the same guy that corley made to dance a chicken dance" hahaha blah blah blah..something along those line if you get me.

Chico was his defining fight.

your a student of boxrec son. you do not have the type of knowledge of the mexican posting legend ferocity. Actually ESPN classic...saw his history when they show is fight with Vivian Harris son.

What shouldn't be forgotten though is that Frazier DID beat Ali in the biggest fight ever. That win defines Frazier's career and he was never the same after it. Ali's career-defining fight for me was his KO win over the unbeaten (39-0) George Foreman who had destroyed the two men who had beaten Ali, Norton and Frazier and also his fights against Sonny Liston and the Thrilla in Manila against Frazier, but the Foreman win was his greatest. Thank you, i was going to pull out the foreman fight but too busy..that was truely ali's defining fight, It was a fight people thought he would get killed. Ali was frazier's defining fight..not vice-versa.