"He's Ruining His Legacy By Fighting On Too Long!"

ottke!!! are you kidding! legacy. youve lowered the bar. it would be disgracefull to have such a lackey in the hof! hahaha...... Unfortunately I am serious. He definetely has a shot at the HOF as it is.

One of the most ridiculed and hated fighters on NSB is Sven Ottke. He might today have a legacy that ultimately lands him in the Hall Of Fame. And that is solely based on his undefeated record. If he takes one more fight and gets KTFO I strongly suspect he wont be joining the HOF. And there, by definition, Threadstealer, you have a fighter where you can say that he's ruining his legacy by fighting on too long.

its like the superbowl team that goes 18-0 and the team that goes 17-1

it only ruins your legacy if your perfect. Like what the guy said if roy retired after tarver 1 people would look at him like he was the best of the best but now it doesn't matter how long he fights because whatever could have been exposed of him has already been exposed. Same with holyfield.

I don't agree with the thread starter on this. For me every fight and every succes and failure a boxer has all add up to the legacy he leaves behind him at the end of his career. Roy Jones is an excellent example, the shocking manner of his losses turned a practically invulnerable fighter almost into a joke. No way is Roy seen the same now as he was then.

LOL SRR is a BMU he loosed to STAN HARRINGTON who I sawewd on BOXREC :owned: I jest of course.

This is nonsense. You don't ruin your legacy or even seriously damage it by fighting on too long. You just become like most fighters. Agreed, just look at Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran.

Yep, the minority is the fellas who knew when to hang em up like Lennox, Hagler, Ricardo Lopez and Eder Jofre (for the old guys). Most guys can't give up the spotlight. They are too competitive to let it go. Tommy Hearns Erik Morales MSM (not an all-time great maybe, but a HOF example) Emile Griffith Bob Foster Larry Holmes and the list goes on. Jofre actually made a compelling comeback years after retirement, going undefeated and picking up the featherweight title.

Would Rocky Marciano be half as great if he had just 1 more fight, but lost it? Legacies can only really be ruined if it was questionable in the first place, but an undefeated record is something every man who holds should be proud of, and if an undefeated fighter plans 1 more fight and loses it, it damages his legacy beyond repair. A lot of people underrate and bash Marciano anyway for his relatively weak opposition. Marciano's legacy really shouldn't have been that much in question anyway. He did beat a good number of the top HWs around at the time, although he missed a couple (Valdez, Baker for instance). On most lists, Marciano isn't ranked higher than Holmes who got to 48-0 and then lost and fought on until he was in his 50s. Holmes did have more title fights, but unlike Marciano, didn't rematch those guys who gave him hell.

tito trinidad evander holyfiled can relate to that

tito trinidad evander holyfiled can relate to that

Yep, the minority is the fellas who knew when to hang em up like Lennox, Hagler, Ricardo Lopez and Eder Jofre (for the old guys). Most guys can't give up the spotlight. They are too competitive to let it go. Tommy Hearns Erik Morales MSM (not an all-time great maybe, but a HOF example) Emile Griffith Bob Foster Larry Holmes and the list goes on. Ali, SRR, even SRL stayed around too long. But they are still remembered as greats (as they should be.)

Their legacies and standings as ATGs were already established, no matter how overdue their retirements were when they finally happened. Yep, the minority is the fellas who knew when to hang em up like Lennox, Hagler, Ricardo Lopez and Eder Jofre (for the old guys). Most guys can't give up the spotlight. They are too competitive to let it go. Tommy Hearns Erik Morales MSM (not an all-time great maybe, but a HOF example) Emile Griffith Bob Foster Larry Holmes and the list goes on.

Would Rocky Marciano be half as great if he had just 1 more fight, but lost it? Legacies can only really be ruined if it was questionable in the first place, but an undefeated record is something every man who holds should be proud of, and if an undefeated fighter plans 1 more fight and loses it, it damages his legacy beyond repair. you could also say... he quit before he had the chance to lose.

Would Rocky Marciano be half as great if he had just 1 more fight, but lost it? Legacies can only really be ruined if it was questionable in the first place, but an undefeated record is something every man who holds should be proud of, and if an undefeated fighter plans 1 more fight and loses it, it damages his legacy beyond repair.

who is this about? Lots of fighters. I always hear this "he's ruining his legacy by fighting too long". Like these guys did? Henry Armstrong Ray Robinson Muhammad Ali Juilo Cesar Chavez Willie Pep Sam Langford Ezzard Charles Roberto Duran Archie Moore Sugar Ray Leonard Alexis Arguello Joe Louis All it does it ruin these fans' last memories of them. Their legacies and standings as ATGs were already established, no matter how overdue their retirements were when they finally happened.

i dont think its about anyone in particular.. just a general statement people use

who the hell is this about ?

so if holyfield fought 20 more fights and lost them all you wouldnt think that would put a dent in his legacy? Slight, but not much at all. He was still the undisputed CW champ and 4 time HW titleholder. It's a sad boxing tradition to fight on too long until you suck.

What about Roy Jones? If he never got KOed he would have been thought of as a fighter with absolutely no flaws next to Ray Robinson and a handfull of other fighters.