Cotto, despite being one of the game’s best boxers, has not thrived in terms of pay-per-view numbers. His outings against Paulie Malignaggi, Zab Judah and Shane Mosley, while critical successes that did well at the box-office, performed just lukewarm on pay-per-view while situated in New York. His last outing against Alfonso Gomez in Atlantic City did one of the lowest ratings ever (2.1) for an HBO World Championship Boxing telecast. Perhaps Arum believes it's time for Cotto to expand his horizons (and his fanbase), and that fighting on the west coast will attract more Mexican-American fans, while increasing the pressure on one Floyd Mayweather to face Cotto, should be beat
'The Tijuana Tornado' in his adopted hometown.
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I guess Mayweather was right..
None at all and he needs to get himself a personality. And stop making everyone think he really wants to fight Floyd. Cause
"THE WORDS HAVE NEVER COME OFF HIS LIPS"
I call Bullshit! last year Floyd by himself 3 and a half million in PPV? Get the fuck out of here, Floyd with De La Hoya made those Numbers Floyd with Hatton made those numbers.
Lets see Floyd fight someone that doesnt have a following and see how well his numbers do, this mother fucker is delusional as it gets.
excuse after excuse is all you get from this chump! Sorry but if this man wants to be remembered as one of the greatest fighters in the history he is going to have no choice but to fight Margarito or Cotto or both even. if he ends his career with out those fights, there is no way he will ever be considered one of the greats, the writers will say he had potential to prove greatness but lacked heart when it came down to making the biggest fights in the welter weight divison happen.
cmon man, you're a better poster than that.
No he's not.
Cotto is just doesn't have crossover appeal...
He is a more for the hardcore boxing fans rather the casual fan, or a non boxing fan..
1. No Personality
2. Cant really Speak English
3. His Style is Not really TV friendly
4. He brings no drama
5. And he is basically living off of Floyd Name, because everytime you mention cotto they talk about "THAT'S mayweather next Opponent"
and that is basically his appeal...
Cotto is going in the right the direction, but he isn't quite there yet...
You suck so bad as a poster. You honestly think Judah, Torres, Corely, Malignaggi, Mosley fights werent dramatic and entertaining?
Have you seen him fight?
"Biggest" commercially.
Why fight Cotto now, when Cotto will be around for 2-3 more years. Oscar has the shorter shelf life. Exactly like you said.
If you opened your fridge, and you had a gallon of milk dated today, and a quart of milk dated next week, which would you drink first?
Next week.......................
At the time, Floyd wasn't a free agent. He was an Arum product with an HBO contract making about $3 mil per fight. His pay was guaranteed.
TODAY, he is self-promoted. He shares in the fight revenues, so he wantes to be in the biggest possible fights.
Completely different situation. I'm a bit surprised that you wouldn't recognize that.
What biggest fight fights is he interested in? Cotto vs Floyd is a big as they get. I mean what are his plans, Oscar will retire very soon, whose he gonna make the money with.
We just wanna see fights.
Floyd said it himself that hes got all the money he wants, but ya forget to mention that. Stop talking for Floyd.
The dude don't know what he wants in boxing. He should just retire then. He said he got all the money, BUT then doesn't fight the number 1 guy in Welterweight.
FUN FACTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT P.P.V's and other fighters...
compare to Floyd..
Floyd vs. Hatton = 850,000 Buys= $47 million in pay-per-view revenue.
The fight was the highest-grossing PPV fight ever that didn't feature a heavyweight or a Oscar De La Hoya.
GOOGLE ANY OF THESE FIGHTS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL BE THE OFFICAL NUMBERS
Pacquaio vs. Big Names
Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
Pacquiao vs. Morales II- 355,000 buys
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. MarquezII 400,000 buys
Roy Jones vs. Big Names
Roy Jones Jr vs. Felix Trinidad 500,000 PPV = $25 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. John Ruiz 602,000 PPV = $26.5 million
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver II 382,000 PPV
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver III 402,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Big Names Besides Oscar:
Felix Trinidad vs. Roy Jones 500,000 PPV
Felix Trinidad vs. Winky Wright 510,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Bernard Hopkins 475,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Ricardo Mayorga 420,000 buys
Felix Trinidad vs. Fernando Vargas 560,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad 475,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor II 410,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Big Names Beside's Oscar
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas 420,000 Buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto
Miguel Cotto vs. Shane Mosely 340,000 buys
Miguel Cotto vs. Zab Judah 220,000 Buys
THE REAL POINT...
Floyd fighting a Nobody is almost the equivalent to any fight the 3rd Biggest Name in Boxing (Pacquaio) is fighting in and that is with Big Names
Floyd vs. No Name Fighter with no U.S exposure (T.V):
Floyd vs.Carlos Baldomir 325,000 buys = 16.3 Million
"We're very pleased with Mayweather's PPV performance, especially given that Baldomir had little previous exposure in the US," HBO PPV's Mark Taffet said.
Baldomir's only previous U.S. exposure came in his January upset of Judah to win the welterweight title and his July knockout of Gatti in his first defense.
"These numbers are very reflective of the numbers generated by Oscar when he did not have the well-known name challenger in the other corner, which obviously speaks volumes of Floyd's star power," Goossen said.
Oscar vs. No Names with No U.S Exposure (T.V):
M.A. Gonzalez(1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
6 fights in the United States before the fight...
Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
This is after Oscar already had 3 Mega Fights over 925,000 P.P.V buys...
Trinidad, Fernando Vargas, Shane Mosley
This also after Oscar already had 4 fights of P.P.V over 550,000 P.P.V buys
Hector Camacho, Ike Quartey, J.C Chavez II, Shane Mosley,
So how do you do only 380,000 after all of that exposure in MEGA FIGHTS...?
And this is Oscar De La Hoya..... So that shows you how much ExposURe in the United States Affect P.P.V sales...
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Floyd fighting a Nobody(Baldomir) is almost the equivalent to and better than
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
and Floyd fighting a marginal Name Like Judah is bigger than all these fights..
Pacquaio vs. Morales 350,000 PPV
PACQUIAO vs. BARRERA 350,000 PPV
Pacquaio vs. Marquez I 360,000 PPV
Morales/Pacquiao III - 350,000 buys
Morales/Pacquiao II - 355,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Fernando Vargas II 350,000 buys
Shane Mosley vs. Miguel Cotto 340,000 buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Antonio Tarver 330,000 Buys
Bernard Hopkins vs. Winky Wright 305,000 Buys
Roy Jones Jr vs. Tarver I 302,000 PPV
Miguel Cotto vs. zab Judah 225,000 PPV
Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I 370,000 Buys
And Judah is barely a marginal Name...
So Floyd vs. Judah = 375,000 buys So you could say that was all Floyd with a Marginal name fighter is better than 2/5 of the most Highest Selling P.P,V EVER not including a HeavyWeight or Oscar..
And if you Say Judah was superstar before the Mayweather Fight how..??
Because What exactly makes Judah a superstar or a big name? that was his first PPV and he had done nothing before that to prove he was a major draw.
There are only a handful of true superstars in the sport. DLH, Trinidad, Hopkins, Jones. Mayweather , and Pacquiao
Judah is and was nowhere near that level before and After. Would a superstar take $100k to fight Cory Spinks fighting in his own backyard..?
So lets put things into perspective when talking about Floyd...
:thinking: why are comparing cotto to floyd again..??
How much money did Sosa,Ndou,Corley,Bruseles,Mitchell bring to the table? Damn, I had no idea that these guys brought more to the table than Miguel Cotto, this now makes perfect sense to me.
Think of it this way, RIGHT NOW Floyd wouldn't get the amount of money he wants. ACTUALLY Floyd was more than willing to fight Cotto at a time, but now money is his number 1 priority.
would you agree that this doesnt necessarily equate quality or highly competitive fights?
It doesn't and that is where the outrage comes from. My ONLY problem with that is calling him a ducker or afraid of this and that. I don't give a fuck if you don't like him he isn't my friend but that is bullshit if someone would think he is ducking anyone. He would fight ANYONE, but for his greedy ass money comes first.
How much money did Sosa,Ndou,Corley,Bruseles,Mitchell bring to the table? Damn, I had no idea that these guys brought more to the table than Miguel Cotto, this now makes perfect sense to me.
One of The most protected?He called out Oscar and Mosley years ago when they were in their prime.Neither wanted to fight him until they got old and desperate.
In an old issue of ring magazine he said he wanted the Cassamayor/Freitas winner.Neither of them wanted to fight him.
He wanted to do a unification fight with leonard dorin and paul spadafora when Floyd was at Lightweight,neither fighter wanted a peice of him.
Floyd called out Trinidad on one of HBO`s boxing shows when Trinidad was in his prime and said he was willing to meet Trinidad at 154 when Trinidad was at 160.Trinidad did`nt want any peice of him.
Floyd called out Hatton when Floyd was still at lightweight Hatton turned him down cause he wanted to continue to fight bums.After Floyd beat Gatti he ask Hatton to do a unification bout with him but Hatton turned him down.
He asked Hatton again, Hatton turned him down,And again,Hatton purposely
priced himself out of the fight by asking for 13 mil.HAtton was asked if that was true about asking for 13 mil hatton said he asked for something along those lines.
Despite all that alot of you was saying that Floyd was ducking Hatton.When Hatton finally had the balls to fight him.Alot of you said"oh Mayweather is fighting a guy smalling then him,"Oh Mayweather is fighting him at 147
Cause he knows thats not his natural weight"BLAH BLAH BLAH.
My Question is,Where was the "Mayweather is the most feared fight out there" Like ya`ll did with Margarito when he was calling out all these guys who are bigger then him and they turned him down?
All true, every single word. Don't forget he offered Acelino and Joel 1.5 each. He was calling out Hamed (who actually was looking for Morales or MAB at the time) Mosley when he was undefeated lightweight champion. When Floyd was on his way up he would have faced anyone near his weightclass who was even remotley good. Times change and now he just wants to be in the biggest fights possible. The ones worth the most money.
One of The most protected?He called out Oscar and Mosley years ago when they were in their prime.Neither wanted to fight him until they got old and desperate.
In an old issue of ring magazine he said he wanted the Cassamayor/Freitas winner.Neither of them wanted to fight him.
He wanted to do a unification fight with leonard dorin and paul spadafora when Floyd was at Lightweight,neither fighter wanted a peice of him.
Floyd called out Trinidad on one of HBO`s boxing shows when Trinidad was in his prime and said he was willing to meet Trinidad at 154 when Trinidad was at 160.Trinidad did`nt want any peice of him.
Floyd called out Hatton when Floyd was still at lightweight Hatton turned him down cause he wanted to continue to fight bums.After Floyd beat Gatti he ask Hatton to do a unification bout with him but Hatton turned him down.
He asked Hatton again, Hatton turned him down,And again,Hatton purposely
priced himself out of the fight by asking for 13 mil.HAtton was asked if that was true about asking for 13 mil hatton said he asked for something along those lines.
Despite all that alot of you was saying that Floyd was ducking Hatton.When Hatton finally had the balls to fight him.Alot of you said"oh Mayweather is fighting a guy smalling then him,"Oh Mayweather is fighting him at 147
Cause he knows thats not his natural weight"BLAH BLAH BLAH.
My Question is,Where was the "Mayweather is the most feared fight out there" Like ya`ll did with Margarito when he was calling out all these guys who are bigger then him and they turned him down?these are facts, now this is one hell of a post, and i have posted the same things a llot of times in the past, and noone had an answer for them either. i bet you after reading this post, the hypocrites will try to respond to it. i mean, margarito asked to fight mayweather when he knew floyd was in line, actually the top guy to fight oscar for his title in a fight that floyd wanted his whole career, at the highest weight of his whole career, and when th efight didn't fall through, floyd wanted shane, who turned him down, like he di dat 135, and then floyd fought baldomir who beat zab judah and gatti, and had a lot of momentum, and held the wbc ww championship, a title floyd has always fought for, and held, and considered the most prestigious title of all the belts, a title that made him the number 1 pund for fucking pound champion in boxing and he still holds that crown and no matter who hates it, he will hold that crown for years to come, face it. he's the best today, and the greatest of his generation.
Hernandez was the top fighter of the division no doubt. And no doubt he was on the way out.
Manfredy, top contender who beat Gatti. After then sadly never beat a champion and even got a gift against Julio Diaz.
Corrales, he was going to jail, wasn't in shape mentally or physiclly. He ate 3 pieces of sanch before he went into the right!
C.Hernandez, a fighter "Chicanoito" Hernandez had already defeated. A tough contender, toughter then Manfredy.
J.Chavez, a top contender that wasnt' supposed give Floyd problems.
Castillo, a champion that was supposed to sell his title to Mayweather but instead gave him two hell of fights. One in which he won.
Most of these names only look good cause of what they did AFTER, mayweather not BEFORE.
If floyd had the balls, and was as great as you like to say. He would have finished off Margarito a long time ago and already have been set to go against Cotto.
Problem is Mayweather and his fans like to talk how great Mayweather is, but like Roy, Maywetaher doesn't like to prove his worth against fighters the public wants him to fight.
Floyd is one of the most protected fighters in many years!wow, what a fucking comeback this was. excuses, excuses, hater to the core.
One of The most protected?He called out Oscar and Mosley years ago when they were in their prime.Neither wanted to fight him until they got old and desperate.
this is true. Floyd had been callin Oscar out for years.
Numbers dont lie....
Cotto is not a star
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Fuck the numbers. Cotto is the man to fight Mayweather and give him a run for his money. If not Cotto then 50 Cent.
No wonder he's not a big draw...
he can't get the big fight/s he deserves.
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Good luck getting Mayweather now.
Well then, if Floyd don't fight Cotto, then what. What are his plans, since no one is worthy of fighting him. Is he going to retire or what?
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