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Calzaghe at #1 is the most ridiculous thing I can remember reading on here this year

Calzaghe......... Fucking retards man. Calzaghe is not in my top 10 p4p...I expected more out of him..he looked dreadful. Name a fighter who's looked good against B-Hop except RJJ? Noone looks good losing or beating B-Hop and the only reason RJJ did is b/c he was fully prime and B-Hop wasn't nowhere near his prime!!!!

Being new is fine. So long as you don't post the same bullshit which has been put to closure dozens of times. That is why I will not educate you, I love toying with noobs who doesn't have an idea of what they're saying. It's ok to be new. Just don't be a noob and post the same BS. toying with noobs? give me a break. post the same bs? all i did was talk about floyd's record. of course i'm gonna end up saying the same thing most people state. people that have the same view generally make the same arguments given that they have the same facts to work with. you telling me you say anything any different from guys that view floyd the way you do? you make the same derogatory comments about floyd that even I have stated and we don't even agree on floyd. like i said before this forum is to discuss boxing. not everyone is gonna agree on the same thing.

Mayweather Pacquiao I. Vasquez JM Marquez

1. Calzaghe; 2. Pac; 3. Floyd (dropping fast for dodging Cotto); 4. Cotto.

It didn't even started with me. In the future noobers like you should try to browse past threads and educate yourself before posting the same bullshit which has already been owned up to its ass. When I talk like that I only remind you you're such. I'm not here to to convince you dude. That's your problem with your lack of brains. If you prefer cowards, if you were brought up to admire cowards and undignified punks then suit yourself. But I will use your words to highlight my points. I could care less if I convince you or not. Convince yourself. noobers? so being new to a forum means you don't know anything right? get the fuck outta here. you're making an ass out of yourself. you have way too much fun talking big in a forum.

You deserve to be called by that. Idiocy needs to be properly identified. Like you do. If you were truly boxing watching then you'd know. I already EDUCATED you on an ELEMENTARY level and you still cannot comprehend? Then there's no point educating you to a HIGHER LEVEL. That's the problem with noob posters like you here. YOu'll post the same BS posted by posters before. BS that has already been owned 100 times. It's all so simple. Or maybe you prefer cowards and punks for p4p kings. Can you consider a coward who has consistently ducked top opposition AND HAS ADMITTED COWARDICE HIMSELF A P4P KING? You do prefer cowards eh? idiocy? if you say so. my conversation with you is over. you need to learn to post without resorting to namecalling. you'd get your point across a lot better. when you talk like that you don't get anything across.

I have Mayweather and Pac ahead of him. I don't think Calzaghe should be in the mix with them yet.

1.Mayweather 2.Pacquiao 3.JMM 4.Calzaghe

1)Manny Pacquiao 2)Floyd Mayweather 3)Joe Calzaghe 4)Isreal Vazquez 5)Miguel Cotto

yes hatton did fight at a higher weight than floyd earlier, but its clear from a somewhat ocntender named luis collazo that hatton isn't big enough for 147 i look at the last 3 years, who has calzaghe not fought? (hes fought the biggest 3 soon to be 4 once he gets roy jones) who has cotto not fought (nobody but floyd who he cant get his hands on after margarito) pacman fought everybody he could izzy vazquez - fights the hardest fight every fight floyd - fights for the most money every fight and misses some of the best fighters while clearly beating some of his best competition

not better than mayweather - has beaten the better opponents if mayweather fought the best available opponents in his last 4 say zab, margarito, odlh and cotto - he would be number 1 no questions asked. it wouldn't surprise me if he own all of them id favour him in all those fights but the fact is he hasn't challenged himself the way joe izzy and pacman have

1-joe calzaghe 2-floyd mayweather 3-manny pacquiao 4-miguel cotto

floyd skillwise he's alone manny overall second i think cotto should be top 5.. if joe recieves so much credit for popkins then cotto should recieve even more for mosley Ease up on the drugs son. Shane Mosley had not won a title in over 4 years when Cotto beat him, and in those 4+ years, Hopkins had won a world title in a second division just two years prior and after that fought and beat a top 10 p4p in Winky Wright.

Castillo beat him once. Corrales is fine. Chavez, her, mitch, good contenders you fight when you're going up. But I will not explain to you more complex issues. It's obvious you're a new poster here. Your questions have already been discussed by men 10 times smarter than you are in the past. I will make it elementary for you. Casamayor Freitas Kostya Spafa Mosley Marg COtto WIlliams Quintana Cintron Clottey You'd be an idiot to believe the words of a guy he calls himself the G.O.A.T. when he has ducked all his life. And for your EDUCATION. A p4p king doesn't piss on his pants like a coward... Like Fake FLoyd does. Here's the vid. Fcking coward pissing on his pants trying to shout mama to save him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbyQsaigxxU&feature=related don't call me any names , bro. i don't call you names. this is a forum on the internet. you want to call me names in person that's fine by me i can do something about it. unless you're in the la area then pm me and we can discuss this in person. but there's no point in getting into name callin online. it doesn't resolve anything. you want to debate that's what this forum is for. debate and discussion doesn't mean the other guy has to agree with you by the way. as far as your post no i am not an idiot. i'm a pretty smart guy actually i just don't happen to agree with you on this particular topic. i don't need an education by the way. i've been watching boxing since i was a kid with my dad. not a boxing historian by any means but i feel i know enough to at least discuss most topics on this forum. nice list of guys floyd hasn't fought. who do you have above him? manny? joe? cotto? there's a list of guys they haven't fought as well you know. people jump weight classes , boxers go after the big money , some guys don't have name recognition yet , etc. there's a lot of reasons why fighters don't fight each other. this is not basketball or baseball or football. there is no playoff format here. there's no schedule that you have to go by. by the way...... you're arguing with the wrong guy. i hate floyd. i want cotto or oscar or whoever to beat him. when i put him #1 is not because i want to or i don't like the other guys. it's because i try to be objective.

Baldo, Gatti, Judah... Wow! If that was my resume I'd piss on everyone for having so fcking great a resume. Lols. forgot about corrales , castillo , hatton , chavez , hernandez , mitchell. and baldomir was the lineal 147 champ , gatti was 140 champ and judah was both. oh and everyone talks crap about de la hoya. de la hoya could've won that fight. he gave floyd as much problems as anybody. let's not forget how great de la hoya was. past prime yes but still a great win. morales was past prime but it was still a great win for manny because erik was still competitive at 130wasn't he? what's good for the goose is good for the gander. if you are gonna discount someones wins because of a reason you have to use that same reason when you talk about the other guy as well. if you call manny's wins against hofers that are past prime a bit GOOD WINS then the same kind of wins for floyd are GOOD WINS as well. and vice versa.

Pac #1 for getting two gifts against Marquez and beating a washed up Morales and Barrera (the rematch)?ROFL You say Floyd is a coward and fought a smaller Hatton. and a old Delahoya. But how old is Marquez,How old was Barrera in the rematch? Was `nt Delahoya bigger then Floyd?Wheres the "Oscar is fighting a smaller man?You a clown. If pacqiauo is so brave why is`nt he fighting Joan Guzman ,Zaheer Raheem and other young prime fighters as opposed to a 34 year old washed up Barrera,An old Marquez who beat his ass twice,And a washed up Morales. Now hes going after the weakest title holder at lightweight and you call Mayweather a coward. When is your counterfiet Mexican asassin going to take a fighter whose not old or has pulse? damn so much bullshit being slung by both sides on this. can't people write/think objectively anymore? i agree with you about floyd being no. 1 but you don't have to trash manny's record either. past prime or not morales and barrera were at the top of the 126-130 divisions when manny fought them. 1st time he fought marco , marco was the #1 guy at 126. morales was still on the p4p list when manny fought him and he was the 130 champ just before he fought manny. he lost the belt to marco. say what you want about the marquez fight but he still won and drew with marquez when juan had 2 belts at 126 and the 130 belt. as far as guzman and valero they were not at the top of the list at 130. they were 5th and 6th behind marquez , morales , pacquiao and barrera. how is manny ducking guys at 130 when he fought 3 of the top 4 guys at 130? and the only reason he didn't fight 4 of the top 4 is because he was one of them. you can make your point about floyd without shitting on the #2 guy you know.

The best match-up for Joe was Bhop.. The ebst match-up for Pac was Marquez The best match-up for Floyd was Cotto and Margarito and he chose a smaller Hatton and rematching a fading Oscar.. 1. Pac/ Joe 2. Cotto (After he KO Marg) 3. Floyd (due to inactivity and rematching a Shot Oscar) i like you , damn. you're a fellow pacfan but that list is crap. almost as bad as the list from the guy who started this thread. pac , joe and cotto are not above floyd on any list. i know floyd has been fighting easy fights lately and he's not fighting the top guys in his division but he's still #1 p4p. floyd has better skills than the other 3 if that's your criteria AND he has fought better opposition than the other 3 as well if your criteria is resume.

1.Pac 2.Calzaghe 3.Mayweather 4.Vazquez

floyd-5 division champion in 11 years-skillwise. none of the rest fucks with him. no competition. he's p4p number one until he retires or loses, and he ain't losing, trust me. pac-amazing workrate, and beating 3 future hall of famers imo. joe-amazing workrate, and beating 2 undefated monsters and a legend who fought to a close fight. joe is also a 2 division champion, an dis still undefeated. cotto-undefated lion who is making his name bigger in the ww division and getting better and better, and him beating shane mosley, puts him up there imo. he has a heart of a lion.