Have Calzaghe fans lost their minds?

Unlike your posts, which we sit on the edge of our seats, anxiously awaiting. I'm not the one making bets that I'll leave the forum if one of my guys loses. Therefore, I'm not making claims on behalf of my posts. What's it to you anyway Mr. Kentucky?

Oh right, so the people whom post here are a portion only of an apparent minority, saying it'll be close? Dude that's ridiculous, in every sense. Where have you met this apparent majority, in the UK? It's in your head. A stereo type is being promoted by SOME, and SOME, like you, are naively going along with it, claiming you know best. You clearly don't. This is a big global board, and if anything attracts SOME of the lesser ignorant fans, not more. I'm a Brit, I sift through a lot of media, tv, papers, interviews, debates, talk to people, friends, family, randoms, and NO WHERE, NO WHERE, is there signs of a majority believing Calzaghe will win comfortably. Try BBC comments from the public, where slightly lesser knowledgeable people post, even there people say it'll be tight. Don't claim what you don't know based on a hunch. It's insulting to the British public. I'm telling you the majority in the UK are not unlike elsewhere, they believe it'll be close decision for Calzaghe, get over it and stop trying to make something out of nothing. There's far more factual evidence for claiming this is deeply hypocritical, given most in the US genuiely believed Lacy would be the next big thing and beat Calzaghe comfortably, only to be absolutely dominated. Manfredo a good chance, ridiculously ruined. Most normally just leave this and don't brag about it, but if this is going to be said then that point is going to be fairly made. Your claiming theres delusion in the majority fans here in a guy un defeated, beaten previous so called greats, wanted Hopkins years ago, your ironically, deluded. If anything, Calzaghe doesn't get enough support in the UK like Hatton does, as sad as that is, will happily take that criticism.

I'm disapointed in this article, it has some points, but is largely based around a perception of a majority of Calzaghe fans believing endlessly, deludedly almost, in his record and capabilities. Well I'm sorry, that is massively flawed and wrong, leaving the article and some flamers looking silly. I'm a Calzaghe fan, but in no way shape or form do I fit this ridiculous, offensive stereotype, and nor do the majority fit into it. As always, it's a minority. Where's the proof to show most do think this way? Nowhere, so it has no place claiming such things. Most believe it'll be a tight fight between two great fighters, and all I've seen here or anywhere in the UK, is the majority of people taking that view. So please if nothing more, remember that, and don't sign up to such promotions of ignorance and bashing. It's un-founded, not true, offensive to the majority whom do not think this way, and serves to create flaming. yes, majority of the calzaghe fans do fit into that view. its just that those majority aren't posting in here because that would prove the article right. its the select few calzaghe fans that think the hops-calz fight is going to be close that are posting in here. but IMO this article is adding excitment for the fight more than anything else even for the calzaghe fans. it'll be a nail-biter no matter who you are picking to win in this fight and I think thats the better msg in this article.

And this isn't even about just Hopkins either. Calzaghe could beat Bruce Lee, Muhammad Ali, The Hulk, and Spiderman all at the same time at this point.. It's getting a little crazy, indeed. (edit) He is a fuckin monster though! Nice video of Godzaghe! :)

Pretty sure no one cares whether or not you post. Unlike your posts, which we sit on the edge of our seats, anxiously awaiting.

I already posted in this thread the reasons I think that some fans of Calzaghe + Hopkins are so forceful in their opinions. I do think though that this criticism of Calzaghe's fans as deluded is a little bit unfair, and comes from, I won't say delusion, but perhaps some of Hopkins fans are being a little selective with their assessment of the facts. There are plenty of good reasons to believe that Calzaghe might beat Hopkins pretty easily. 1) That is exactly what he has done to almost every opponent he has ever faced. 2) He looks to be carrying a lot of advantages over Hopkins. The only advantages anyone seems to be able to attribute to Hopkins, other than a quasi-mystical appeal to some sort of 'toughness', 'smartness', 'clever old-pro ness' etc, is a 'counter right hand' and a suggestion that Hopkins will cheat. 3) Hopkins has relatively recently lost fights to inferior opposition than Calzaghe in Jermain Taylor. 4) Hopkins is 43! No-one, I repeat no-one is immune to the effects of aging, and I doubt that Hopkins is the first fighter ever to look after himself! Predicting a Calzaghe victory, even a comfortable one, is anything but deluded. All the available evidence suggests that that is what will probably happen. It doesn't make it certain, and I'm sure Hopkins will make it a fight, but when all the evidence is in, that looks, right now, to be the most likely outcome. ________ An400

I'm disapointed in this article, it has some points, but is largely based around a perception of a majority of Calzaghe fans believing endlessly, deludedly almost, in his record and capabilities. Well I'm sorry, that is massively flawed and wrong, leaving the article and some flamers looking silly. I'm a Calzaghe fan, but in no way shape or form do I fit this ridiculous, offensive stereotype, and nor do the majority fit into it. As always, it's a minority. Where's the proof to show most do think this way? Nowhere, so it has no place claiming such things. Most believe it'll be a tight fight between two great fighters, and all I've seen here or anywhere in the UK, is the majority of people taking that view. So please if nothing more, remember that, and don't sign up to such promotions of ignorance and bashing. It's un-founded, not true, offensive to the majority whom do not think this way, and serves to create flaming.

if Calzaghe loses ill never post again thats how confident i am! Pretty sure no one cares whether or not you post.

I'm a Calzaghe fan and i have been PRAISING Hopkns' resume and abilities of late, so infact what your saying isnt true. Only some Calz fans are doing that Just had to point that out. :banana:

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Funny shit.. I'm sold, you're delusional. Flat out. It's true. Most Calzaghe fans realise Hopkins is a dangerous opponent.

so what? did you read the rest or did you just see those 2 names and block out the reasoning for the comparison? Hopkins is a defensive tactician and outstanding counter-puncher, when it just so happens, these are the exact qualities that help neutralize high punch volume as recently evidenced when the unheralded Carlos Quintana bested another fighter known for work rate, Paul Williams. if that doesn't make sense to you than you are one of the reasons this article was written.

He compared Quintana-Williams to this fight. That puts him in the same class as DWiens, which is unfortunate for him. so what? did you read the rest or did you just see those 2 names and block out the reasoning for the comparison? Hopkins is a defensive tactician and outstanding counter-puncher, when it just so happens, these are the exact qualities that help neutralize high punch volume as recently evidenced when the unheralded Carlos Quintana bested another fighter known for work rate, Paul Williams. if that doesn't make sense to you than you are one of the reasons this article was written.

He compared Quintana-Williams to this fight. That puts him in the same class as DWiens, which is unfortunate for him. Surely you of all people know a metaphor when you see one?

And this isn't even about just Hopkins either. Calzaghe could beat Bruce Lee, Muhammad Ali, The Hulk, and Spiderman all at the same time at this point.. It's getting a little crazy, indeed. (edit) He is a fuckin monster though!

This article is worthless. There is no point in discussing the issue of balance while using a very small and unrepresentative minority of Calzaghe fans as a microcosm of his supporters as a whole. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Funny shit.. I'm sold, you're delusional. Flat out.

He compared Quintana-Williams to this fight. That puts him in the same class as DWiens, which is unfortunate for him.

By Geoffrey Ciani Generally speaking, there tends to be some fairly good balance when it comes to making assessments, which is why I am utterly baffled by the foolishness on display pertaining to the upcoming mega bout between Bernard Hopkins and Joe Calzaghe. The way these Calzaghe fans talk (and there are scores of them), you would think Calzaghe was slated to fight Academy Award winning actor, Anthony Hopkins, instead of Bernard. Then again, the out-of-control mass delusion which has overtaken a large percentage of the Calzaghe faithful might well mean giving the actor best known for his portrayal of Hannibal Lecter a better chance against Calzaghe than Bernard. That so many fans believe Calzaghe will beat Hopkins is one thing; that so many believe he will beat him easily is quite another. This is simply inexplicable. One of the first methods of madness is to discredit Hopkins’s resume. According to the Calzaghe faithful, Hopkins has never beaten anyone of note. Sure, he has some names on his resume, but they mostly consist of blown-up welterweights who had no business fighting Hopkins. Take, for example, his bout against Felix Trinidad. According to the Calzaghe faithful, Trinidad is a bum who had no business fighting above 147. It seems that Calzaghe fans conveniently forget the fact that Trinidad was not only successful during his stay in the 154 pound division, but that he was also a four to one favorite against Hopkins as the reigning WBA champion, having just battered William Joppy in the opening-round of Don King’s middleweight tournament. It should also be noted that Trinidad was universally recognized amongst the pound-for-pound best in the sport when Hopkins thoroughly outclassed him. More recent examples of this campaign designed to discredit Hopkins would be his wins against Antonio Tarver and Winky Wright. Against Tarver, Hopkins had jumped two weight classes at the age of 41 to take on the top dog in the light-heavyweight division. Tarver was a three-to-one favorite and widely recognized as a top pound-for-pound talent in the sport, and yet he was systematically dominated by Hopkins. In his very next bout, he took on yet another pound-for-pound elite in Ronald “Winky” Wright. Once again, Hopkins was the underdog, and once again, Hopkins would win a lopsided decision. Yet, the Calzaghe faithful gives him absolutely no credit for these two sensational victories. To them Tarver was always ‘overrated’, and worse yet, he was ‘weight drained’ from his role in Sly Stallone’s Rocky Balboa. As for Winky, he was just another blown-up welterweight who had never accomplished anything north of 154. Winky was ‘too pudgy’ at that weight, and even still, they claim he made Hopkins ‘look bad’. In fact, some even have the audacity to claim Winky deserved victory in a contest he clearly lost. Furthermore, they seem to forget that Hopkins himself had just recently moved north of the middleweight division, but why ruin a good disinformation campaign by allowing the facts to get in the way? Another method of madness being utilized by the delusional Calzaghe faithful is overstating his resume. After chatting with a Calzaghe fan, one might be left with the impression that Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler were all-time greats on par with Sugar Ray Robinson and Henry Armstrong! The way Calzaghe fans speak of his conquered foes, you would think he had cleaned out every worthy contender south of cruiserweight over the past fifteen years. In reality, Calzaghe’s resume is a rather underwhelming ledger best defined by mediocrity, barring a few exceptions like Kessler and Chris Eubank, but even here, we are hardly discussing anyone even approaching an elite level. One of the final methods of madness being used is the ‘work rate’ argument. This one basically states that “Calzaghe throws too many punches, ergo, he will overwhelm Hopkins, much like Jermain Taylor did”. This argument ignores the fact that styles make fights and that Calzaghe and Taylor fight nothing alike. It also undermines the fact that Hopkins is a defensive tactician and outstanding counter-puncher, when it just so happens, these are the exact qualities that help neutralize high punch volume as recently evidenced when the unheralded Carlos Quintana bested another fighter known for work rate, Paul Williams. Indeed, speaking with Calzaghe fans leaves one with the impression that he is being pitted against a stationary target who is incapable of throwing punches, rather than a future Hall-of-Famer with impeccable skills and pedigree. The most hysterical thing in all of this is that Calzaghe himself is surely aware of the daunting task at hand. No doubt he is smart enough to realize what he is up against, and no doubt he understands that beating Hopkins is a tall order. Unfortunately, Calzaghe fans seem blinded by this reality, and the ridiculous arguments they put forth certainly seem indicative of overcompensation. In the end, I wonder who it is Calzaghe fans are trying to convince: The rest of the boxing community or themselves? It is a little odd. Hard to notice things like that from a Boxing forum though. :lol1: I'm way too used this shit..

This is the reason I hate Calzaghe and Hatton fans... No, you can keep deluding yourself by repeating that, but the real reason you don't like Calzaghe or Hatton or any British fighter, is because you're an irrational xenophobic idiot. Want to know how I know this? Because I don't see you having the same standards towards fanatical fans of American boxers. You need to grow up.

I like the post even though it's worded like a school report. Deep and factual though. True fight fans and fans of either guy who ain't biased to the point of blindness understand that either guy can win this fight and both are great fighters, even if their haters disagree or their backers overstate it.

Bad boys but good guys huh? NOT Of course Calzaghe will win, but only because Hopkins is 43. Not an excuse, a fact. But like most cowards and that's very typical among kids and Calzaghe fans (wagon jumpers) they must have an underdog feeling to feel ok, don't they? Like Rocky in the Rocky series. Can't handle pressure and are terrified of NOT being FAKE. Even the slightest thought of not being hypocritical scares the coward. So he must be the good guy, the underdog, the one who faces adversities but comes through in the end reaching inside for that special quality. But it is FAKE, it is SET TO HAPPEN, CALCULATED. Calzaghe defeating Hopkins in a "tough" fight and maybe he cries a little in the end. This is so fucking typical among children and now boxing fans but remember it's all in your minds and only you see it that way.