Now see why Juan Manuel Marquez was fustrated?

Marquez has all the right to be pissed, so does his camp. All the effort that was put forth, all the rediculous hype and pressure that was put on him PERSONALLY. Callin Paq an Assassin, the fuck outta heaaaaaa. lol well, where was Marquez' assassination? Ohhhhh, thats riiiiight. Marquez isnt 30 years old trapped in a fuckin 54 YEAR OLD BODY due to previous punishment, and Marquez isn't a Jorge Solis, some overhyped fighter that TopRank probably boosted up lol. Only people that actually criticized Marquez for being pasionate about his profession after that fight in the post fight confrence, were pencil pushers (the insignficant boxing writers, the same type of douche bag that would find somthing as lame as a TOUCH DOWN DANCE by Deion Sanders to be "bad for the game.") And of course the Flips. (One of the only negative things they can reach for to say about Marquez lol). Aside from them, you can bet that everyone else could understand his and his camps frustration. I wanna see a 3rd match just as bad as you do but cmon man. They have nobody to blame for signing a damn contract that could have been easily renegotiated had they actually paid a decent lawyer. And what is done is done. Instead of bitching about it Why doesnt JMM actually do something productive that'll actually help his argument. LIKE BEATING JOEL CASAMAYOR!!!

Dude made incredible concessions just so that the fight can happen: Took a major paycut in comparison what the challenger, Pac was getting (1 mill to Pac's 5 Mill) Had to accept a no rematch clause if he lost but had to accept a rematch clause if he DID win. if not the fight wouldnt have happen. and he lost a VERY close decision which he felt he won. given the circumstances, his reaction towards the situation is understandable in my opinion. yeah he fucked up by out pricing himself when the first rematch was offered but he manned up and took the fight under fucked up conditions. if not, we never would have gotten to see it unfold. ARUM = CROOK

Dude made incredible concessions just so that the fight can happen: Took a major paycut in comparison what the challenger, Pac was getting (1 mill to Pac's 5 Mill) Had to accept a no rematch clause if he lost but had to accept a rematch clause if he DID win. if not the fight wouldnt have happen. and he lost a VERY close decision which he felt he won. given the circumstances, his reaction towards the situation is understandable in my opinion. yeah he fucked up by out pricing himself when the first rematch was offered but he manned up and took the fight under fucked up conditions. if not, we never would have gotten to see it unfold. He deserves to be frustrated because it is his own doing : 1. He took the paycut, but the Marquez camp was the one who offered that not Pacquiao's camp. There were moves to have Pacquiao at lightweight, but the demands were mounting for a rematch with Marquez. It is not the paycut that made the rematch happen its the demand of the people and excitement was building up hence Pacquiao's camp knew the clamor was just overwhelming, PPV numbers are gonna shoot off the roof, so they cashed in on that. I dont know what the fuck is the Marquez camp thinking why did they bothered to have to offer a paycut, other than of course, the genius Beristain have time and again used his MIS-management abilities. Even if its a 4M-2M share in favor of Pacquiao, it will still be Manny's biggest paycheck so I dont see any reason why his camp cant accept that. 2. Having offered the paycut, why did they even agreed to one-sided no rematch clause? They could have easily haggled that they already took the paycut hence they should have a rematch clause. Moreover, he is the champion therefore he has to enjoy that right. Im pretty sure had they made that public, it will be a cause of debate was to why the Pacquiao camp is not offering a rematch. 3. They are too cocky for their own good. They accepted these one-sided conditions because they assumed this will not matter and they will win. It was probably never in their mind that they will lose otherwise they couldnt have accepted that. Now Pacquiao, Arum, Roach and company are laughing their way to the bank, and their camp is whining on the decision and demanding a rematch to which something that they should have control of in the first place. JMM is a good boxer but a wasted talent. He built his supposed great career but surrounded himself with people who are, for the lack of a better word, idiotic when it comes to management decisions.

yeah but calling people rat face or boring gay counterpouncher its not common sense those two guys gave a great fight and deserve respect the fault here is the las vegas judges who couldnt see the clear winner who is in my opinion jmm and there is also pacman fault for settling with a split decision that coulda gone either way and running away to fight the paper champ david diaz true boxing fans want marquez pac 3 not diaz vs pac The ratface and boring, gay is obviously a joke meant to bring levity to an otherwise quickly becoming hostile situation. I have to disagree with your blaming the judges because i had the fight a draw. I also want to see Pac Marquez 3 but i agree with Bob Arum saying you must give it enough time to put air under it. Having a rubbermatch with conditions as is may do well but probably do nothing but hand out another controversial decision. But if Pac beats David diaz and Marquez takes a match with casamayor and wins...It would add fuel to the fire and more drama to an already interesting rivalry. It would tenthfold what a rubbermatch as is would do financially.

lol call this common sense? Makes perfectly good sense to me. What's wrong with it?? Obviously had a clear winner been determined in the actual fight we'd have nothing to discuss or argue about because it would be self-evident.

Chups is pretty cool. I'm quite positive he's one of the few without the boring 'Pac Blinders' on. On ya chups! It's rare to see a Filipino boxing fan who can actually see both sides of the coin and actually has some common sense. :fing02:

Obviously there are good ones. Flipside, Chups, Asian, Kadyo, and Thrillainmanilla. But outside of that, there's a horde of pretentious, biased, ignorant, annoying, 1 line typing jackasses. Chups is awesome and we are bestfriends.

tell me about it. what are they gonna do when Pac retires....... Obviously there are good ones. Flipside, Chups, Asian, Kadyo, and Thrillainmanilla. But outside of that, there's a horde of pretentious, biased, ignorant, annoying, 1 line typing jackasses. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

LOL @ "Pinoys only got into boxing because of Pacquiao" argument. Bullshit. I know for a fact Filipinos watch other boxers even way before Manny. Just lack of fight coverage. No internets...duh, you're missing out on a lot of shit without it. Hell, even my family rooted for Oscar during his days. =| Of course along with Penalosa and Espinosa. As a kid in Philippines, i remember staying up late to watch Navarrete fight. High school here in Los Angeles, my family sometimes shop in the Filipino store in Vermont(near Melrose), i always buy the Filipino sports magazines. The magazines articles is always basketball but there are sometimes articles on boxing. That is how i learned of Morris East, Gerry and Dodie Penalosa, and Luistito Espinosa. Watched also 2 fights of Chiquita Gonzales and Carbajal in channel 9. I do remember also during saturday night, showing previews of upcoming fights(like the HBO countdown) of Terry Norris. I believed NBC channel 4 also show some boxing.

this isn't really true, is it? can't remember ever hearing such a thing as far as a champ not being allowed a rematch clause while the challenger is. Anyone verify?

LOL @ "Pinoys only got into boxing because of Pacquiao" argument. Bullshit. I know for a fact Filipinos watch other boxers even way before Manny. Just lack of fight coverage. No internets...duh, you're missing out on a lot of shit without it. Hell, even my family rooted for Oscar during his days. =| Of course along with Penalosa and Espinosa.

It's a joke. You know what I mean. No I dont, I dont have a sense of humor.

Take away the 1.6mil he received this time and throw in the 750,000 he was offered the 1st time around and that would still be his biggest purse to date. He still received less than 750,00 for a world title fight with Barrera. A fight that had a very controversial decision that went Marquez's way. So bad luck is not the story of his career because the "gift" decision as some would say actually went Marquez's way in the Barrera fight. The Story of Marquez's career is bad management. Plain and simple. Morales offered to fight Marquez 1st after the draw with Pacquiao. Marquez's camp refused that as well. Morales ended up fighting Pacquiao instead...Marking Pacquiao's skyrocket rise into the #2 p4p in the sport. So i say Marquez has been both blessed and cursed at the same time by Nacho. I totally agree, he got a gift decision against Barrera, he was lucky, MAB got screwed with his pants on.

can you show me where you got that figure? It's a joke. You know what I mean.

it evens out when the two fight... the crowd was 50/50 Mexicans and Phillipinos... we outnumber you fools in the damn country and not to mention we actually LOVE boxing unlike you pinoys that are just watching it to enjoy ONE fighter so i wouldnt be surprised if there were more Mexicans supporting Marquez then Phillipinos supporting Pacquiao Of course you outnumber us in this damn country. All y'all gotta do is cross a fence with holes in it. We gotta cross a whole fucking ocean you retard. Lol!!!

With an average of 10 children per family, what the fuck would you expect? can you show me where you got that figure?

Jesus I hate Pac fans. lol. tell me about it. what are they gonna do when Pac retires.......

The angle is for rest of America. Filipinos are already a lock to buy the fight. My point is your calling the guy a cab driver, but why would Manny a p4p fighter fight him then? It's Arum's way of trying to preserve Manny. It puts TopRank in a win win situation. I'm not saying this is Manny's choice, but it's obvious Arum cares nothing about Pac's legacy and is in the way of Manny's growing legacy imo. I still say the only way Pac fights Antillon is if he becomes a mandatory challenger and it's a mandatory defense. Even then it probably wont happen. There are way more attractive options at lightweight espeically if pac keeps winning. Theres also a possibility he'll either vacate and move to junior welter or retire.

it evens out when the two fight... the crowd was 50/50 Mexicans and Phillipinos... we outnumber you fools in the damn country and not to mention we actually LOVE boxing unlike you pinoys that are just watching it to enjoy ONE fighter so i wouldnt be surprised if there were more Mexicans supporting Marquez then Phillipinos supporting Pacquiao. With an average of 10 children per family, what the fuck would you expect?

yup!!! pure ownage. Jesus I hate Pac fans. lol. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!