To me, Oscar was a completely different fighter when he was younger, around the time he beat Vargas. He would attack without retreat, it was ruthless but at the same time, technical. And now, we don't see that same fire or passion from De La Hoya, instead we see the cautious DLH who looks like he cares more about protecting his "pretty boy" (no Floyd) face rather than winning the fight. It used to be heart that drove him but now it's all about the $$$. So do you think a younger DLH would defeat Mayweather, who is seemingly at his best as we speak?
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I think because the fight was so close, yes, a prime delahoya would beat mayweather.
And i hope people stop saying Mayweather is a small fighter if he is then he should go back down in weight and stay there.
Unfortunatly, we will never know. I think Oscar would certainly have a better chance at doing it, but Floyd is just such a difficult fighter to hit and is so smart in the ring that I think he wins by close Decision again. Remember, Floyd did go up to Oscar's weight and had to agree with everything Oscar said so alot was in Oscarls favor and he still didn't win.
at 140 and 147 Oscar wins. People bring up the Quartey and Whitaker fights...and that makes sense. but what did both Quartey and past prime Whitaker have? Kick ass jabs. Quartey had an excellent jab and Whitaker always knew how to place it, he landed a ton of them on Oscar. and both those fights were still very close
Floyd CAN jab well, but really just never has at 140 and 147. Oscar's combination of size power and speed would be too much at these weights. Oscar at the lower weights was a stickman, and Floyd's punches were more meaningful.
I give credit for Floyd beating Oscar at 154, but the truth is, he really wasnt at his best. an Oscar with better stamina, more consistant punching, and quicker jab would be able to beat Floyd 140 and 147
Remember though that the fight was at 154
at 135 or 140 i take Floyd because he was more active, Quicker and through in combinations more than he does now
at 147 a Prime Oscar beats Floyd
Floyd really is'nt as good at 147 than he was at lighter weight classes hes more tentative and gets hit more.
Sweet Pea beats both prime for prime at ANY WEIGHT oLD sweet pea on crack gave Oscar a very tough fight so if you say Prime Oscar would beat Floyd then you gotta agree that Prime Whitaker beats Oscar on a clear UD
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But Pea vs Oscar was very close..I don't think either one can truly say he clearly beat the other.
yes I agree with that. It should of been a draw, I thought Sweet Pea should of gotten the win becuase of the knock down and he had the belt.
I think Sweet Pea beat DLH, since he even knocked DLH down and all. But Sweet Pea and PBF are 2 different fighters. Sweet Pea in his prime beats both PBF and DLH. DLH in his prime beats PBF, but not Sweet Pea in his prime.
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But Pea vs Oscar was very close..I don't think either one can truly say he clearly beat the other.
I think Sweet Pea beat DLH, since he even knocked DLH down and all. But Sweet Pea and PBF are 2 different fighters. Sweet Pea in his prime beats both PBF and DLH. DLH in his prime beats PBF, but not Sweet Pea in his prime.
Yes, his first fight moving up to 135 and he lost. Floyd defeated him at 130, where he was undefeated his entire career.
Same can be said about Hatton vs Floyd.
Who was he a dominant against? What's his biggest victory against a prime fighter?
Beat a better Chicanito Hernandez then the one Floyd beat and quicker.
Destroyed Jesse James Leija in a fashion nobody had done or ever did again.
Destroyed Rafael Reuelas who was a very good fighter at the time.
Clearly beat "Mago" Gonzales who was a very good champ at lightweight moving up.
The reason I say Delahoya would beat Floyd if he was in his prime, is because Delahoya had some really great speed, not as great as Floyd's but he was very quick. Another reason is Delahoya has a great jab when he was acctually throwing it in his fight against Floyd he was doing very good.
Who is a fighter that Floyd beat, that you think a prime Delahoya woulden't have beaten?
I'll take The Delahoya who lost to Shane Mosley and Mosley over Floyd at 147.
I'll take Shane at Lightweight over Floyd.
Who are Floyd's biggest wins?
Close Decisions to Delahoya and Castillo? and his ko over Hatton.
To me, Oscar was a completely different fighter when he was younger, around the time he beat Vargas. He would attack without retreat, it was ruthless but at the same time, technical. And now, we don't see that same fire or passion from De La Hoya, instead we see the cautious DLH who looks like he cares more about protecting his "pretty boy" (no Floyd) face rather than winning the fight. It used to be heart that drove him but now it's all about the $$$. So do you think a younger DLH would defeat Mayweather, who is seemingly at his best as we speak?
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Yeah, I saw the fight, he looked like a washed up crackhead to me.:nonono:
His prior record up to the fight proves that he wasn't, 3 BIG wins (2 of them VERY BIG) in the YEAR leading up to the DLH fight proves my point.
That doesn't mean nothing unless your knowledge comes from boxrec.com. If you saw the fight and you know a young pernell, you know he wasn't what he once was when he fought Oscar.
Plain and simple.
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Except that you discard Oscar as a former super-featherweight. Hatton had arguably already been beaten at 147 by a fringe contender in Collazo. Oscar gave Hernandez his first loss, Oscar was a former 130 pound titlist beating an undefeated former 130 pound champ, what's the problem?
I bet all my points on Floyd to win, so I'm not sure what you mean by the last comment.
Yes and on May5th 2007, on record, Floyd went down as a 5-division champion beating a 6-divison champion in Oscar. Looks nice on paper.
As far as Hatton, Yes he almost got knocked out by Collazo, something I pointed out when debating Hatton fans about their undefeated lil hero.
Omg, this almost doesn't deserve a response. Everybody knows Whitaker was washed up smoking crack. He was past his prime as it gets. Ask anybody who knows boxing about this and they will tell you.
Not even worth debating.
Yeah, I saw the fight, he looked like a washed up crackhead to me.:nonono:
His prior record up to the fight proves that he wasn't, 3 BIG wins (2 of them VERY BIG) in the YEAR leading up to the DLH fight proves my point.