Was Zab Judah Ever A Real Elite Fighter???

He got beat everytime he stepped up, and even when he stepped down. I don't know how anyone could consider him elite. Thats because Judah is not Elite and he never was, He was a great prospect like many others but he just couldnt cut it or make the next step up from being a great prospect, He believe his own hype early on and thought he could beat anyone on his worst day, Before the Tsyzu fight the disrespect he shows tsyzu was one of the worst i have ever witness a prospect show against a great champion like Tsyzu. He only won one big (Spinks), He blames everybody but himself for losing fights he should and could have won with ease, For me a fighter with skills and No Heart is good as a fighter with NO skills and Judah falls under that.

zab was elite and he fought one of his best fights ever against Floyd. he lost but was elite anyway. You're right, ALL of Floyd's opponents were elite.:smashfrea

Corey Spinks and Junior Witter are bad asses for that weight class, those are two great wins. The Junior Witter of now would destroy Zab though bad asses? great wins? thats highly debatable especially on Witters front. Remember this isn't now where Witter seems to have established himself as one of the best at 140 this was some time ago when he was largely unproven and inexperienced.

I'm sorry but this analogy is not clarifying anything for me. lmao.............

Zab was very much an elite fighter. Was he HOF material? No. You would consider Liverpool F.C to be an elite club, wouldn't you? Clearly Zab was not as motivated by the sport as many of the best was/is, and as such lost fights he should have won. I'm sorry but this analogy is not clarifying anything for me.

zab is a good fighter with great talent just never used it well i guess

no, judah doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Hearns, Leonard, Robinson or Hagler.

zab was elite and he fought one of his best fights ever against Floyd. he lost but was elite anyway. u have to be able to WIN to be elite

He got beat everytime he stepped up, and even when he stepped down. I don't know how anyone could consider him elite. This is kinda how Im feelin about it

He got beat everytime he stepped up, and even when he stepped down. I don't know how anyone could consider him elite.

Zab was very much an elite fighter. Was he HOF material? No. You would consider Liverpool F.C to be an elite club, wouldn't you? Clearly Zab was not as motivated by the sport as many of the best was/is, and as such lost fights he should have won.

zab had what it took to be an elite champion but something went wrong along the way!

I dont know if I wiould give Zab elite status? But I know this. Zab has more accomplishments than Margarito or Cintron. margarito is debatable. the bigger problem is they haven't fought the same fighters in the same weight class so that type of comparison seems difficult to quantify?

I dont know if I wiould give Zab elite status? But I know this. Zab has more accomplishments than Margarito or Cintron.

Zab seemed like an elite level fighter in the 1st round against Tszyu, the rematch against Cory Spinks, the title defense against Cosme Rivera and the first few rounds against Mayweather. Too bad he couldn't keep it up. Is he an elite level fighter overall? No. Was he considered an elite level fighter at some point of his career? Yes. Even if it was for only a few months/minutes.

I mean theres the fighters that have won championships... then theres the truly ELITE fighters like Ray Leonard, Ali, Mayweather, Jones, Hopkins, Trinidad, Morales, Barrera, Lewis, Tyson... like they werent just paper champions, they were truly elite fighters.... the ones that are truly above the rest.... im on boxec.com, and it looks like outside of Cory Spinks, if you wanna include him, hes lost to every major name... Lets see Mickey Ward: W - But was Ward ever an ELITE? I love his fights with Arturo as much as anyone else... but an ELITE? Junior Witter - W - Dont know enough about him to comment. Demarcus Corley - W - If you wanna include him. Corey Spinks - W - TKO9 **I guess it comes down to were these wins good enough to place him at the TRUE ELITE level. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kosta Tszyu - L - TKO in the 2nd. Cory Spinks - L - UD12. Carlos Baldomir - L - UD12. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - L - UD12. Miguel Cotto - L - TKO11. It just seems, when he truly got to the elite fighters, Baldomir and Spinks depending... he couldnt handle it. It seems like he has the tools to be elite... but somethings missing... This isnt a hate Zab thread either, got nothin against the kid. Close but not quite there. I think he's a B level fighter, lost too many fights against the "A" level. Just MO

Zab rose from the ashes and became a Champion. He aint done.............

If he'd had a different trainer maybe the outcome would have been different. I really do think you're right. He has everything physically to be one of the greatest of his era. Unfortunately he is severely lacking in the mental strength department. His has no will power past the fourth round as has been shown time and time again. Also, when he gets hit his mind just flies right out the room, down the stairs, out the door and into the big blue sky.... Now, whether a different trainer would have been able to put some mental strength and endurance into him I don't know, but what I do know is that he would have had a better chance at becoming a great fighter with a great trainer than with his Dad. It's a bit sad because he is one seriously gifted athlete. I don't think there is a better naturally gifted fighter in the sport today (yes, that includes Mayweather).

i dont know what it is about Zab, i will always be a fan of his regardless how many times he loses or how delusional he is. (no homo)

I think you might be underestimating Shane Mosleys star power and celebrity. Itll do great PPV numbers and will sell-out wherever they place the fight. But I think what makes this fight more super than anything is the electricty and fireworks both men will produce in the ring. Both of these guys have been the "B" side of the major PPV's they've been in. If this is a PPV fight the buyrate will be interesting. A good buyrate would be an excellent sign for boxing. It will take some crafty promoting to pull that off though. Zab will talk all the smack but Shane will just smile.