How to mount successfull body attack (my theories)

Check out the N'dou fight again, BJ. Floyd let N'dou step inside and N'dou got to him. No need to lunge around. If you have seen Hatton fight, do this....substitute Hatton in for N'dou and analyse that fight. All sorts of possiblities appear once you do that objectively. Yea but...what happened to N'Dou? Thats not the best example. Floyd beat the shit out of that guy with ease, and its actually one of his best performences.

BlackJesus quote: "...I use this example because some questions have come up about mayweathers "body" and what happens when he gets hit. I will tell you, Mayweather doesnt give you a whole lot of anything. He forces you to lunge at him and create openings, the problem is, you get hit on the way in. Despite what alot of you think, getting his ACCURATELY over and over again hurts, and despite what you guys may think, Floyd is a decent puncher, especially someone his own size and has the potential KO anyone from 140 down since thats close to his own natural weight. Mayweather uses his shoulder and gives you a look that is very hard to solve, mostly because while your trying to solve it, your getting hit in the fuckin face." Check out the N'dou fight again, BJ. Floyd let N'dou step inside and N'dou got to him. No need to lunge around. If you have seen Hatton fight, do this....substitute Hatton in for N'dou and analyse that fight. All sorts of possiblities appear once you do that objectively.

The difference between guys like Chavez and Castillo and Hatton is that Ricky is much quicker inside. Castillo might be a little more crafty, but the difference in speed is major when you think about it. Thats the main reason why he crumbled against Hatton. Hatton would move inside and get off four punches before Castillo could set his feet. His footwork and hand speed sets him apart from any other pressure fighter in the sport, including Cotto. I'm not saying he's better, but he goes about it in a completely different way. Yea but with cotto, when you walk out of the ring against him, you get mauled, win or lose. Im not talking throw a few punches and hold, im talking straight up and down pure aggression, cotto doesnt fuck around, and hes so strong that anybody is gonna walk out of that ring in pain win or lose. Hatton has better speed your right, but ask yourself what would happen if those two fought, somebody might die.

Mayweather hasn't fought anybody who will keep pressing that also has skill. ODLH fought as if the fight were to go 15, had he doubled up his combos he probably would've scored the knockout. If you stalk Mayweather from the inside he CAN'T hurt you. If you try and stalk from the outside then he'll duck, dodge, and counter all night, and will probably knock your tired ass out. The key is pushing his ass around. I think Hatton-Mayweather will look a lot technically like Holyfield-Tyson I. Jesus chavez stalked mayweather from the inside and he ended up battering him into the later rounds. Floyds inside fighting skills are outstanding, so that isnt exactly true.

The difference between guys like Chavez and Castillo and Hatton is that Ricky is much quicker inside. Castillo might be a little more crafty, but the difference in speed is major when you think about it. Thats the main reason why he crumbled against Hatton. Hatton would move inside and get off four punches before Castillo could set his feet. His footwork and hand speed sets him apart from any other pressure fighter in the sport, including Cotto. I'm not saying he's better, but he goes about it in a completely different way.

With all the talk of Cotto Mosley and Mayweather Hatton, in both instances you have a speed guy and a hardened slugger looking to body snatch. However the differences between the two fights are pretty major in alot of ways when you look beyond just the paper matchup. A good body attack needs a couple things, for one, you need to be inside, period, you need to be in range to throw that shit. For two, you need good footwork and the ability to work well in and out of clinches. One last thing you need..someone standing in front of you giving you enough body to make it happen. Watching Cotto/Judah i have noticed something, when judah was moving in and out throwing combinations before the low blow fiasco, he had cotto in control and was doing what he wanted to do in the first couple rounds even stunning him early. However, In about round 4 or 5 Judah started doing what i mentioned above, giving him body. By that i mean standing there making himself a target. At this point Judah crumbled. Also, you guys remember the Quintana fight? Quintana never had his footing in that fight and was easily demolished, a fight i lose 20 dollars on. Quintana gave cotto nothing to fear, barely any counters, nothing to give cotto anything to think about and got his ass destroyed in vicious fashion. One thing i notice about Cotto is that if you continue throwing punches and flurries, he takes them, but he keeps coming, however hes not invincible, if Mosley can keep up the flurries and throw with authority, Cotto may not answer the 12th round. But if he stands dormant and his defensive lapses allow Cotto to subdue him with his body attack, Mosley is in trouble just like Judah was, his speed will dissapear and he will crumble, Cotto is too strong. Now ill touch on another fight, one i watched for about the millionth time. Chavez vs Whitaker. That fight stands out in my mind as to what happens to a body puncher when a defensive GENIUS is at the helm. Whitaker moved, stood toe to toe, countered and left Chavez confused. Chavez is easily a top 5, hell top 3 body puncher of all time, and had no idea how to solve the whitaker puzzle. This is because whitaker DID NOT give Chavez a target, he moved laterally, used his footwork and countered, there was little chavez could do but wail and chase. I use this example because some questions have come up about mayweathers "body" and what happens when he gets hit. I will tell you, Mayweather doesnt give you a whole lot of anything. He forces you to lunge at him and create openings, the problem is, you get hit on the way in. Despite what alot of you think, getting his ACCURATELY over and over again hurts, and despite what you guys may think, Floyd is a decent puncher, especially someone his own size and has the potential KO anyone from 140 down since thats close to his own natural weight. Mayweather uses his shoulder and gives you a look that is very hard to solve, mostly because while your trying to solve it, your getting hit in the fuckin face. Hatton will likely attempt to chase mayweather, and in the midst of that, when mayweather stands toe to toe, and gives him a different look, he will have to solve that too, because missing punches is discouraging and annoying, and if the ref is someone who DOES NOT allow hatton to hold and hold and hold, Hatton will be forced to use angles and create openings, and we all know against mayweather, this is easier said than done. This is why the Hatton fight has made Mayweather a huge favorite, we have seen him against Jesus Chavez and JLC twice, we have seen him in pressure fights, the difference is, this is 2007, not 2002, hes smarter, stronger and his Boxing IQ is absolutely brilliant, and you need more than heart and will to beat him, you need a strategy that will work, and given the problems mayweather presents, its very hard to rule against him. Thats my opinion anyhow. Well said.

Mayweather hasn't fought anybody who will keep pressing that also has skill. ODLH fought as if the fight were to go 15, had he doubled up his combos he probably would've scored the knockout. If you stalk Mayweather from the inside he CAN'T hurt you. If you try and stalk from the outside then he'll duck, dodge, and counter all night, and will probably knock your tired ass out. The key is pushing his ass around. I think Hatton-Mayweather will look a lot technically like Holyfield-Tyson I.

One thing I rarely see nowadays from bodypunchers is them jabbing first to distract the face,so they can target the body.

Hmm i agree with the first post mayweather is good but hatton has the body shots that can slow him down it will be tuff to catch mayweather though cause i bet he isnt rusty i think he was stil training when he said he was retired cause he knew he would get a big fight.

With all the talk of Cotto Mosley and Mayweather Hatton, in both instances you have a speed guy and a hardened slugger looking to body snatch. However the differences between the two fights are pretty major in alot of ways when you look beyond just the paper matchup. A good body attack needs a couple things, for one, you need to be inside, period, you need to be in range to throw that shit. For two, you need good footwork and the ability to work well in and out of clinches. One last thing you need..someone standing in front of you giving you enough body to make it happen. Watching Cotto/Judah i have noticed something, when judah was moving in and out throwing combinations before the low blow fiasco, he had cotto in control and was doing what he wanted to do in the first couple rounds even stunning him early. However, In about round 4 or 5 Judah started doing what i mentioned above, giving him body. By that i mean standing there making himself a target. At this point Judah crumbled. Also, you guys remember the Quintana fight? Quintana never had his footing in that fight and was easily demolished, a fight i lose 20 dollars on. Quintana gave cotto nothing to fear, barely any counters, nothing to give cotto anything to think about and got his ass destroyed in vicious fashion. One thing i notice about Cotto is that if you continue throwing punches and flurries, he takes them, but he keeps coming, however hes not invincible, if Mosley can keep up the flurries and throw with authority, Cotto may not answer the 12th round. But if he stands dormant and his defensive lapses allow Cotto to subdue him with his body attack, Mosley is in trouble just like Judah was, his speed will dissapear and he will crumble, Cotto is too strong. Now ill touch on another fight, one i watched for about the millionth time. Chavez vs Whitaker. That fight stands out in my mind as to what happens to a body puncher when a defensive GENIUS is at the helm. Whitaker moved, stood toe to toe, countered and left Chavez confused. Chavez is easily a top 5, hell top 3 body puncher of all time, and had no idea how to solve the whitaker puzzle. This is because whitaker DID NOT give Chavez a target, he moved laterally, used his footwork and countered, there was little chavez could do but wail and chase. I use this example because some questions have come up about mayweathers "body" and what happens when he gets hit. I will tell you, Mayweather doesnt give you a whole lot of anything. He forces you to lunge at him and create openings, the problem is, you get hit on the way in. Despite what alot of you think, getting his ACCURATELY over and over again hurts, and despite what you guys may think, Floyd is a decent puncher, especially someone his own size and has the potential KO anyone from 140 down since thats close to his own natural weight. Mayweather uses his shoulder and gives you a look that is very hard to solve, mostly because while your trying to solve it, your getting hit in the fuckin face. Hatton will likely attempt to chase mayweather, and in the midst of that, when mayweather stands toe to toe, and gives him a different look, he will have to solve that too, because missing punches is discouraging and annoying, and if the ref is someone who DOES NOT allow hatton to hold and hold and hold, Hatton will be forced to use angles and create openings, and we all know against mayweather, this is easier said than done. This is why the Hatton fight has made Mayweather a huge favorite, we have seen him against Jesus Chavez and JLC twice, we have seen him in pressure fights, the difference is, this is 2007, not 2002, hes smarter, stronger and his Boxing IQ is absolutely brilliant, and you need more than heart and will to beat him, you need a strategy that will work, and given the problems mayweather presents, its very hard to rule against him. Thats my opinion anyhow. Again, Mayweather is a very technical fighter. He doesn't mix in the same type of offense and defense that Whitaker could when he was right in front of you. He has done it well with Jesus Chavez and a few others, but Hatton is a different animal. Drawing the parallel between the two is tempting, but Whitaker was much different than Floyd. The difference here is that I think Hatton is mentally prepared for what he is going to be in with. He knows he has to maul Mayweather, he knows he's going to get hit. Floyd will be ready to go. It'll come down to Mayweather sustaining an attack and keeping Hatton honest for 12 rounds. I think he can do it, but Ricky is not easy to deal with.

Cotto Watching Cotto/Judah i have noticed something, when judah was moving in and out throwing combinations before the low blow fiasco, he had cotto in control and was doing what he wanted to do in the first couple rounds even stunning him early. However, In about round 4 or 5 Judah started doing what i mentioned above, giving him body. By that i mean standing there making himself a target. At this point Judah crumbled. ____________________________________________________ The way i saw it was Judah was trying to show Cotto the side of his body to lure him so he could walk him onto and uppercut

This is a different fight from Whitaker-Chavez. If it were to go like that Hatton might win. Chavez landed a lot of body punches. Whitaker to his credit landed everything and more. Cotto-Judah is different because it was a matter of physical dominance. It's not that Judah got a way from his plan, he had no chance really. He looked good in MOMENTS, and you can't abvstract those moments from the bigger picture. he was in with a better all around fighter. Floyd is trickier to hit than Whitaker, which is saying something. But Hatton doesn't need to land all day. Floyd turns his body enough that a liver shot isn't out of the question if Hatton distracts PBF and figures out the timing. Blasphemy. Floyd is more of a stand up fighter than Whitaker and he isn't as hard to hit when he's right there in front of you. His quick right hand and his opponents failure to respond to it makes him seem less hittable too. He uses his great defensive technique and reflexes to guard his head, but Hatton will be able to find his body (often) if he isn't shook by the fact that he's going to take a counter or two. Hatton's mauling approach to wearing down his opponents is going to bother Floyd. Floyd is one of the most mentally stable fighters in the ring though. I just wonder if Ricky will be discouraged by being beat to the punch in spots.

This is a different fight from Whitaker-Chavez. If it were to go like that Hatton might win. Chavez landed a lot of body punches. Whitaker to his credit landed everything and more. Cotto-Judah is different because it was a matter of physical dominance. It's not that Judah got a way from his plan, he had no chance really. He looked good in MOMENTS, and you can't abvstract those moments from the bigger picture. he was in with a better all around fighter. Floyd is trickier to hit than Whitaker, which is saying something. But Hatton doesn't need to land all day. Floyd turns his body enough that a liver shot isn't out of the question if Hatton distracts PBF and figures out the timing. Judah had a chance, i think the low blows effected him because he could not sustain an attack, he looked physically different after both low blows, im just stating how i feel, and i take nothing away from cotto, those things happen, they are apart of boxing. Chavez didint land much of signifigance, nothing to slow Whitaker down, he practically chased him around most of the night. and when whitaker stood in front of him, its not like he was super successfull, chavez being an outstanding body puncher, if he would have landed with a high rate of frequency, whitaker woulda been in deep shit.

first let me say this, Yes, It was a good technical analysis IF... You BELIEVE Mayweather to be superior to Pea You BELIEVE Chavez to be the same type of fighter that Hatton is. You BELIEVE Floyd has power. You BELIEVE Hatton won't hit Mayweather cleanly. Then yes, it's good, But it's also very slanted. I could write a very technical Analysis about the history of the brawler breaking down the boxer and slant it just as much-shit i have, but that would be the same thing you have done here. Try explaining what each side needs to do to win next time. When you focus on just one fighter it's obvious you are leaning towards or against that fighter. The thread is a great read, but not accurate in my opinion! Mayweather is not as far as you think behind Pea first of all but he still has years left on his career so we shall see. Second, Hatton wishes he was HALF the fighter JCC was who was by far more technical & a better pressure fighter than Hatton ever will be. Your blind hate of Mayweather makes your opinion hold no weight because you can't be objective on him.

This is a different fight from Whitaker-Chavez. If it were to go like that Hatton might win. Chavez landed a lot of body punches. Whitaker to his credit landed everything and more. Cotto-Judah is different because it was a matter of physical dominance. It's not that Judah got a way from his plan, he had no chance really. He looked good in MOMENTS, and you can't abvstract those moments from the bigger picture. he was in with a better all around fighter. Floyd is trickier to hit than Whitaker, which is saying something. But Hatton doesn't need to land all day. Floyd turns his body enough that a liver shot isn't out of the question if Hatton distracts PBF and figures out the timing.

That wasn't right to read his whole analogy and reply with he's a nutlicker, It was well thought out and a good read. I agree with the most part. Anyway as far as Cotto. This will be the strongest opponent he has ever faced. It's gonna be hard to breakdown a guy who has beanged with bigger guys for the majority of the second half of his career. Shane is a bug guy. And the difference will be that Cotto won't be able to push him backward constantly the whole fight.

Your right, Mayweather isnt Sweetpea, hes actually a more complete fighter, and there was a thread on it i think last week, and yes, i definately think mayweather is a bit better than Sweetpea, or at the very least, the second coming. Mayweather has more power than Whitaker and i think personally thats what gives him the edge. But defensively, Counterpunching all the things Whitaker did, Mayweather can do. If im a nutlicker for giving a technical analysis on what may or may not happen, and you dispel it with BULLSHIT, HATTON TKO 10, if im "nutlicking" then what are you doing? first let me say this, Yes, It was a good technical analysis IF... You BELIEVE Mayweather to be superior to Pea You BELIEVE Chavez to be the same type of fighter that Hatton is. You BELIEVE Floyd has power. You BELIEVE Hatton won't hit Mayweather cleanly. Then yes, it's good, But it's also very slanted. I could write a very technical Analysis about the history of the brawler breaking down the boxer and slant it just as much-shit i have, but that would be the same thing you have done here. Try explaining what each side needs to do to win next time. When you focus on just one fighter it's obvious you are leaning towards or against that fighter. The thread is a great read, but not accurate in my opinion!

Hey long time no see! I pretty much agree on Cotto-Mosley. Let me underline that Cotto chin might go, and that Mosley too often forgets about defense. On the other fight I think you are seeing it too easy for Mayweather. Hatton brings pressure (we all figured that out by now), but he also bring speed and angles. In that (and maybe only in that) he is even better than JCC in putting a boxer through hell. On the other hand Mayweather is offensively better than Pea. So I think that this fight will have more fireworks than Pea-JCC. I see Hatton getting bodyblows in a number of time, but I also think Floyd accept that he will have to stand his ground or lose the decision. He will pound Hatton mercilessly, and Hatton will have to dig deep in his heart. The exciting thing is that I think Hatton has enough to bring to the table to make Floyd dig deep. I expect Floyd to get hit more than ever, and pretty hard too. I also expect him to show what he is made of. I dont buy all the haters' talk, he is not a 24 yo mike tyson who will crumble under adversity, he has been a pro for 10+ years now, fought against all styles, against all sizes, against injury. He is a great fighter and he is taking the biggest test of his career. May the best win. Like I typed many times before. I love PBF in the ring, I love Ricky out of the ring. This is a win-win for me. The only outcomes I would not like are robberies or Hatton getting cut or Mayweather injuring his hands. I know it seems like im making it easy for mayweather, but hatton has a chance, i thought tarver had no chance in the 2nd fight with roy, and i know it may seem funny, but after the roy fight, i was never the same in terms of sports. I knew then anything could happen at anytime, no man is untouchable you know? I was stating why its going to be a big task for Hatton, but you know he does have a chance. I was a roy jones fan like you wouldnt understand, it was worse than tyson douglas because we never saw it coming, with tyson from round 1 on you knew he something was wrong, but with roy, seeing him hit the canvas changed boxing for me permenently.

With all the talk of Cotto Mosley and Mayweather Hatton, in both instances you have a speed guy and a hardened slugger looking to body snatch. However the differences between the two fights are pretty major in alot of ways when you look beyond just the paper matchup. A good body attack needs a couple things, for one, you need to be inside, period, you need to be in range to throw that shit. For two, you need good footwork and the ability to work well in and out of clinches. One last thing you need..someone standing in front of you giving you enough body to make it happen. Watching Cotto/Judah i have noticed something, when judah was moving in and out throwing combinations before the low blow fiasco, he had cotto in control and was doing what he wanted to do in the first couple rounds even stunning him early. However, In about round 4 or 5 Judah started doing what i mentioned above, giving him body. By that i mean standing there making himself a target. At this point Judah crumbled. Also, you guys remember the Quintana fight? Quintana never had his footing in that fight and was easily demolished, a fight i lose 20 dollars on. Quintana gave cotto nothing to fear, barely any counters, nothing to give cotto anything to think about and got his ass destroyed in vicious fashion. One thing i notice about Cotto is that if you continue throwing punches and flurries, he takes them, but he keeps coming, however hes not invincible, if Mosley can keep up the flurries and throw with authority, Cotto may not answer the 12th round. But if he stands dormant and his defensive lapses allow Cotto to subdue him with his body attack, Mosley is in trouble just like Judah was, his speed will dissapear and he will crumble, Cotto is too strong. Now ill touch on another fight, one i watched for about the millionth time. Chavez vs Whitaker. That fight stands out in my mind as to what happens to a body puncher when a defensive GENIUS is at the helm. Whitaker moved, stood toe to toe, countered and left Chavez confused. Chavez is easily a top 5, hell top 3 body puncher of all time, and had no idea how to solve the whitaker puzzle. This is because whitaker DID NOT give Chavez a target, he moved laterally, used his footwork and countered, there was little chavez could do but wail and chase. I use this example because some questions have come up about mayweathers "body" and what happens when he gets hit. I will tell you, Mayweather doesnt give you a whole lot of anything. He forces you to lunge at him and create openings, the problem is, you get hit on the way in. Despite what alot of you think, getting his ACCURATELY over and over again hurts, and despite what you guys may think, Floyd is a decent puncher, especially someone his own size and has the potential KO anyone from 140 down since thats close to his own natural weight. Mayweather uses his shoulder and gives you a look that is very hard to solve, mostly because while your trying to solve it, your getting hit in the fuckin face. Hatton will likely attempt to chase mayweather, and in the midst of that, when mayweather stands toe to toe, and gives him a different look, he will have to solve that too, because missing punches is discouraging and annoying, and if the ref is someone who DOES NOT allow hatton to hold and hold and hold, Hatton will be forced to use angles and create openings, and we all know against mayweather, this is easier said than done. This is why the Hatton fight has made Mayweather a huge favorite, we have seen him against Jesus Chavez and JLC twice, we have seen him in pressure fights, the difference is, this is 2007, not 2002, hes smarter, stronger and his Boxing IQ is absolutely brilliant, and you need more than heart and will to beat him, you need a strategy that will work, and given the problems mayweather presents, its very hard to rule against him. Thats my opinion anyhow. Hey long time no see! I pretty much agree on Cotto-Mosley. Let me underline that Cotto chin might go, and that Mosley too often forgets about defense. On the other fight I think you are seeing it too easy for Mayweather. Hatton brings pressure (we all figured that out by now), but he also bring speed and angles. In that (and maybe only in that) he is even better than JCC in putting a boxer through hell. On the other hand Mayweather is offensively better than Pea. So I think that this fight will have more fireworks than Pea-JCC. I see Hatton getting bodyblows in a number of time, but I also think Floyd accept that he will have to stand his ground or lose the decision. He will pound Hatton mercilessly, and Hatton will have to dig deep in his heart. The exciting thing is that I think Hatton has enough to bring to the table to make Floyd dig deep. I expect Floyd to get hit more than ever, and pretty hard too. I also expect him to show what he is made of. I dont buy all the haters' talk, he is not a 24 yo mike tyson who will crumble under adversity, he has been a pro for 10+ years now, fought against all styles, against all sizes, against injury. He is a great fighter and he is taking the biggest test of his career. May the best win. Like I typed many times before. I love PBF in the ring, I love Ricky out of the ring. This is a win-win for me. The only outcomes I would not like are robberies or Hatton getting cut or Mayweather injuring his hands.

Well, i'm sure you will get plenty of praise from the rest of the nutlickers, so i'll start of by saying one thing! Bullshit-----Mayweather is no sweet pea! More to the point- Mayweather hasn't faced an aggressive, accurate, body punching fighter like Hatton in his entire career-No, castillo in not on par! Hattontko10 or sooner! Your right, Mayweather isnt Sweetpea, hes actually a more complete fighter, and there was a thread on it i think last week, and yes, i definately think mayweather is a bit better than Sweetpea, or at the very least, the second coming. Mayweather has more power than Whitaker and i think personally thats what gives him the edge. But defensively, Counterpunching all the things Whitaker did, Mayweather can do. If im a nutlicker for giving a technical analysis on what may or may not happen, and you dispel it with BULLSHIT, HATTON TKO 10, if im "nutlicking" then what are you doing?