was shavers the hardest puncher in history?.

If so, then Quarry had one helluva chin, and he Ko'd Shavers in 1....something no one else could do

I wouldn't call him the hardest puncher, but he's in the top 10, no doubt. IMO, the hardest puncher of all time is George Foreman.

It's all in the geometry. To KO someone, you have to force the cranium to either stun the brain from a sudden unexpected impact, or to actually twist quick enough and hard enough to slosh the brain around inside the crainum, causing a concussion. It all depends on the angle the head is at, the direction it's coming from, how strong the neck muscles are, how tensed they are (whether he sees it coming...very important), and how his particular brainpan is built, among other things. There are too many variables involved to say "It's easier to KO someone by hitting them in the jaw", blah, blah, blah. Technically speaking, and in a perfect world, yes, you can get more leverage with a punch to the point of the chin (preferrably a wide hook, that moves nearly perpendicular to the direction the fighter is facing) that carries through well, but nothing is ever perfect. I recently saw Michael Moorer knock a guy out cold with a couple of right hooks right behind the ear...they didn't even look like hard punches, and the guy's head barely moved when he was hit, but he was out and on the way down with the first shot. Why? His cranium was given a jolt that sent his brain into "REBOOT, REBOOT!!!" mode. This is where parts of the guy's body doesn't know what's going on (ever see a fighter throwing punches while he's on his back? scares the crap out of some guys, let me tell you). Anyway, Tyson didn't pack nearly the wallop that Shavers did, but he was really good at putting his punches in the perfect place, at the perfect time. That was Tyson's greatest asset. He had some bang, but that wasn't as important as knowing how to get inside quick and put his punches where they did the most good. If he hadn't been such a fucking psychopathic retard, he'd most likely have retired undefeated (and a non-felon). karma for you!! good post

i think the punch tyson knocked holmes down with was harder than the punch shavers knocked holmes down with. Tyson hit holmes on his cheekbone . Shavers hit holmes on the jaw . It is easier to knock someone out hitting them on the jaw. When holmes got up against tyson he was shaking his head he didnt know where he was . He needed to clear his head .When he got up against shavers his senses were more intact. It's all in the geometry. To KO someone, you have to force the cranium to either stun the brain from a sudden unexpected impact, or to actually twist quick enough and hard enough to slosh the brain around inside the crainum, causing a concussion. It all depends on the angle the head is at, the direction it's coming from, how strong the neck muscles are, how tensed they are (whether he sees it coming...very important), and how his particular brainpan is built, among other things. There are too many variables involved to say "It's easier to KO someone by hitting them in the jaw", blah, blah, blah. Technically speaking, and in a perfect world, yes, you can get more leverage with a punch to the point of the chin (preferrably a wide hook, that moves nearly perpendicular to the direction the fighter is facing) that carries through well, but nothing is ever perfect. I recently saw Michael Moorer knock a guy out cold with a couple of right hooks right behind the ear...they didn't even look like hard punches, and the guy's head barely moved when he was hit, but he was out and on the way down with the first shot. Why? His cranium was given a jolt that sent his brain into "REBOOT, REBOOT!!!" mode. This is where parts of the guy's body doesn't know what's going on (ever see a fighter throwing punches while he's on his back? scares the crap out of some guys, let me tell you). Anyway, Tyson didn't pack nearly the wallop that Shavers did, but he was really good at putting his punches in the perfect place, at the perfect time. That was Tyson's greatest asset. He had some bang, but that wasn't as important as knowing how to get inside quick and put his punches where they did the most good. If he hadn't been such a fucking psychopathic retard, he'd most likely have retired undefeated (and a non-felon).

This thread popped up a couple years ago, shortly after I joined, and now again, after a long absence and return. The short answer is, "If he wasn't, he was close to it". It's probably a coin-toss between Shavers, and Foreman. Both unloaded thunder with both hands, and if either one connected clean, the fight was probably over.

Yes..............

I would say so. I had 68 KO's, and only 4 of those were TKOS. The rest were putting people straight to bed.

tyson's uppercut that floored jesse ferguson and smashed his nose was a harder punch or the uppercut which stood ribalta straight up was a harder puncher . your a very VERY boring man

i think the punch tyson knocked holmes down with was harder than the punch shavers knocked holmes down with. Tyson hit holmes on his cheekbone . Shavers hit holmes on the jaw . It is easier to knock someone out hitting them on the jaw. When holmes got up against tyson he was shaking his head he didnt know where he was . He needed to clear his head .When he got up against shavers his senses were more intact. lol,,,holmes was 38 then and hadnt fought in how long before tyson? he was in his prime when shavers flattened him

i think the punch tyson knocked holmes down with was harder than the punch shavers knocked holmes down with. Tyson hit holmes on his cheekbone . Shavers hit holmes on the jaw . It is easier to knock someone out hitting them on the jaw. When holmes got up against tyson he was shaking his head he didnt know where he was . He needed to clear his head .When he got up against shavers his senses were more intact. no effing way was tysons right hand on holmes even nearly as hard as shavers. shavers totally followed thru and punched "through" holmes. you can just tell by watching both highlights that the shavers punch was harder. that follow thru was sick

devastating tyson's uppercut that floored jesse ferguson and smashed his nose was a harder punch or the uppercut which stood ribalta straight up was a harder puncher .

devastating

it cant be proven, so we cannot answer yes or no but you can make an educated guess almost all welknown boxing historians believe he did. i have watched hundreds of fights with bog punchers such as tyson foreman benn hearns and shavers and i strognly believe that he had the hardest punch i think the punch tyson knocked holmes down with was harder than the punch shavers knocked holmes down with. Tyson hit holmes on his cheekbone . Shavers hit holmes on the jaw . It is easier to knock someone out hitting them on the jaw. When holmes got up against tyson he was shaking his head he didnt know where he was . He needed to clear his head .When he got up against shavers his senses were more intact.

lol you guy have a point there guys but shaver is not that crappy as you mentioned ... and beez721 i dont f_cking like you!! LOL true i think seeing someone against a prime holmes makes them look crap no matter who they are but shavers was far from slick!

it cant be proven, so we cannot answer yes or no but you can make an educated guess almost all welknown boxing historians believe he did. i have watched hundreds of fights with bog punchers such as tyson foreman benn hearns and shavers and i strognly believe that he had the hardest punch

lol,,,,,one of the most ignorant posts of all time. if a guy had the greatest power,,,but weak chin,,,no defense,,,,bad stamina,,,inaccuracy etc,,, he would still be a dominant champ? :duh: hey i said that!!!

earnie shavers had incredible punching power, ali said that shavers was the hardest puncher he ever faced, that includes foreman and frazier, but i dunno, that's hard to say, ali never got hit by tyson, plus there's been so many hard punchers over the years inlcuding all divisions, there's been so many smaller fighters who, pound for pound, may hit harder than him, i dunno

idk if he was the hardest puncher but shavers is def up there... you could tell how powerful his punches were

well opponents saying shavers hit the hardest seems to be proof for people that shavers was the hardest puncher and opponents of tyson saying that other fighters hit harder seems to be proof for people that tysons power was overrated and that he wasent even in the top 50 hardest punchers in heavyweight history. Catskill shut the fuck up.

it cant be proven, so we cannot answer yes or no well opponents saying shavers hit the hardest seems to be proof for people that shavers was the hardest puncher and opponents of tyson saying that other fighters hit harder seems to be proof for people that tysons power was overrated and that he wasent even in the top 50 hardest punchers in heavyweight history.