One of Floyd's most under appreciated performances against one of the best 130lbers ever in Genero Hernandez.
Remember that Floyd was just 21 years old and only had 17 professional fights. And look at the class of fighters he was fighting already, compared to the likes of who Cotto was fighting in his 18th pro fight. Or who Andre Berto is fighting now. Or who was Hatton fighting in his 18th pro fight?
I would definitely put Floyd in the Top 3 130lbers of all-time. He had very, very good power, he was probably the fastest 130lber ever, if not one of, was able to put combinations together very well, had great footwork and ring generalship, great defense and fought very smart, even though he was very young. He WAS the perfect fighter.
Well said, 2120
"and also include him in 5 most boring fighters to watch of all time. A copycat to Sugar Ray Leonard but can not even level Sugar Ray's skills. The delahoya-PBF was anticipated to be like Sugar Ray-Hagler fight but it didn't come closer to even thrill the paying fans...hohum...Hall of Shame."
the mayweather that fought at 130 135 was anything but boring. brillant boxing skills and technique
somehow hes lost his balls at 147 and 154 :nonono:
two different fighters now
floyd at 130 and 135 was all fighter
floyd at 147 and 154 has lost his edge no glory no balls. to cement the fact that hes superior in everyway to his opponent
I find this a fair comment.
After the "barrage of shots", in what round did Pac KO Barrera? Or JMM?
Thanks for playing.
Barrera was saved by his trainer before he will pass into coma. Did you forgot it?:puppy_dog
As I watched this video, it proves two things, PBF's impressive speed and PBF's weak power. Most will agree with me that if PAC is the one giving those barrage of shots to Hernandez, it will be a KO.
alot of floyd's opponents said he hits much harder than you would think.
You obviously haven't seen that much of Mayweather, or other fighters, to call him top 5 boring all-time.
Floyd's style isn't even much like Ray Leonard anyway. He's more similar to guys like James Toney and his dad and uncle, from the old school shoulder roll style he was taught.
true indeed........and Hopkins of course
I thought Hernandez had lost a fair bit by the time he fought Mayweather.
Not to take anything away from Mayweather's performance, which was brilliant, but Hernandez fought a guy called Anatoly Alexandrov a few fights before & the fight took a lot out of him.
Alexandrov fought probably the dirtiest fight I have ever seen in the ring, & it was carefully calculated as well.
He broke Hernadez's nose with a deliberate headbut in the first round, obviously planned beforehand.
He then proceeded to pretend he was fighting a technical boxing match, but it was complete bullshit. He ran around throwing quick arm punches, with his only effective work being an amazing array of calculated fouls.
In the 11th when Hernandez finally got onto him & looked like stopping it, Alexandrov slipped to the side, shoved Hernadez off-balance as hard as he could, hit him twice in the back of the head while he was going down, then stepped around the referee to literally step on Hernandez's chest while he was down.
SOB should of been banned.
"and also include him in 5 most boring fighters to watch of all time. A copycat to Sugar Ray Leonard but can not even level Sugar Ray's skills. The delahoya-PBF was anticipated to be like Sugar Ray-Hagler fight but it didn't come closer to even thrill the paying fans...hohum...Hall of Shame."
the mayweather that fought at 130 135 was anything but boring. brillant boxing skills and technique
somehow hes lost his balls at 147 and 154 :nonono:
two different fighters now
floyd at 130 and 135 was all fighter
floyd at 147 and 154 has lost his edge no glory no balls. to cement the fact that hes superior in everyway to his opponent
Bro., I did watched both fights. Its easy to say Sugar is a fighter and PBF is a runner and is good for fighting aging boxers like Gatti & Oscar-they get tired easily of catching the runner. So PBF should be at 100-meter dash contest not in boxing, he made it a boring sport.
He's 38-0 I don't think he chose the wrong sport. You don't win 5 titles in 5 different weightclasses running every fight. He so called ran in ONE FIGHT(Baldomir).
Bro., I did watched both fights. Its easy to say Sugar is a fighter and PBF is a runner and is good for fighting aging boxers like Gatti & Oscar-they get tired easily of catching the runner. So PBF should be at 100-meter dash contest not in boxing, he made it a boring sport.
if you watched both fights you would have noticed that PBf was way smaller than DLH, and Leonard and Hagler did not look that much different. So the comparison is ridiculous.
If you think Mayweather is boring or a runner, I suggest that
1) you watch his fights at 130-135-140
2) if you still think so, go watch Gatti-Ward and get excited. To each their own, I like boxing, you like slugging
Yeah when you stack all up against each other all of those matches would be all kinds of close.
Chavez/Mayweather looks a bit like Castillo/Mayweather to me...only Castillo was/is a poor mans version of JC Superstar. It'd be interesting to see how Floyd would stand up to a more intelligent Castillo type who was a better boxer on top of everything.
With Floyd/Nelson in mind...you'd have a draw a bit from Nelson's bout with Pea (even though Pernell and Floyd are a lot different). Floyd is more of a stand up fighter...less tricky, but more consistent. Again it's a case of Floyd fighting a physically strong fighter who changed himself into being a polished boxer. I hold Zoom in very high regard...the performance he gave against Jeff Fenech in their second fight was special.
Floyd/Arguello would be a burner. Arguello fought the cream of the crop at 130 man. I think a Nelson/Arguello fight may be the best of em all. I see those classic Arguello/Escalera bouts times two.
JCC-Mayweather would be great. What you point out about JCC-JLC si right, but the fight would be better than the Castillo fights, because Chavez would not be the bigger man by a sensible amount, like Castillo was.
So... less running more fighting.
And of course JCC was a better boxer than JLC, but I think JLC skills are widely unappreciated here. People think he is just some brawler, but that's bullshit. Mayweather fought bigger fighters, bigger punchers, fighters who threw more punches, faster fighters, and made them look silly, JLC never looked silly, he has great timing and he is much smarter than what he is generally given credit for, he is really the only opponent who did not go where Mayweather wanted him to be.
The reason i would pick Pbf over Nelson is Mayweather's focus in the ring. He is immensely concentrated and reads his opponent really well. This is almost greatness by itself. What puts him in a very restricted elite of fighters is that he does that every second of every minute of ever round. The guy was just born with wrinkles, Nelson was slightly more flamboyant and I think that would be decisive. (and yes Nelson-Fenech was nothing short of awesome)
Arguello-Mayweather would be one for the ages.
Another thing to lookout for when comparing them is that Chavez and Mayweather were probably not in their primes at 130.
Imo
Leonard was in his 3rd weight class when he faced hagler.
Mayweather was in his 5th weight class when facing oscar. probably 15 pounds difference by fight night.
This difference is so apparent by watching the fights that I would imagine that you have never seen one of the two fights, to make this ridiculous comparison.
Bro., I did watched both fights. Its easy to say Sugar is a fighter and PBF is a runner and is good for fighting aging boxers like Gatti & Oscar-they get tired easily of catching the runner. So PBF should be at 100-meter dash contest not in boxing, he made it a boring sport.
So, you mean you got thrilled with his fight with Oscar? Or his fight with Grandpa GATTI? You're one in the world.
He was bless with speed but not power!
They were a lot better than a lot of other fights I've seen.
There's been many guys waaayy more dull than Mayweather.
I read your comment oldgringo, I think I have Mayweather number 1 at that weight, but it is always hard, when you have guys like Nelson who stayed at a weight at their entire career and then Chavez, Arguello or Mayweather who were moving up.
I think Mayweather has the best combination of performances at 130 and in other weight classes. Nelson is one of my favorite fighters but I think that Mayweather will get it. Obviously the great fight would be JCC-PBF.
Arguello-PBF would also be pretty fcking exciting.
Yeah when you stack all up against each other all of those matches would be all kinds of close.
Chavez/Mayweather looks a bit like Castillo/Mayweather to me...only Castillo was/is a poor mans version of JC Superstar. It'd be interesting to see how Floyd would stand up to a more intelligent Castillo type who was a better boxer on top of everything.
With Floyd/Nelson in mind...you'd have a draw a bit from Nelson's bout with Pea (even though Pernell and Floyd are a lot different). Floyd is more of a stand up fighter...less tricky, but more consistent. Again it's a case of Floyd fighting a physically strong fighter who changed himself into being a polished boxer. I hold Zoom in very high regard...the performance he gave against Jeff Fenech in their second fight was special.
Floyd/Arguello would be a burner. Arguello fought the cream of the crop at 130 man. I think a Nelson/Arguello fight may be the best of em all. I see those classic Arguello/Escalera bouts times two.
Boring!
You obviously haven't seen that much of Mayweather, or other fighters, to call him top 5 boring all-time.
Floyd's style isn't even much like Ray Leonard anyway. He's more similar to guys like James Toney and his dad and uncle, from the old school shoulder roll style he was taught.
So, you mean you got thrilled with his fight with Oscar? Or his fight with Grandpa GATTI? You're one in the world.
He was bless with speed but not power!
2-3 personally.:sombrero:
I read your comment oldgringo, I think I have Mayweather number 1 at that weight, but it is always hard, when you have guys like Nelson who stayed at a weight at their entire career and then Chavez, Arguello or Mayweather who were moving up.
I think Mayweather has the best combination of performances at 130 and in other weight classes. Nelson is one of my favorite fighters but I think that Mayweather will get it. Obviously the great fight would be JCC-PBF.
Arguello-PBF would also be pretty fcking exciting.
LIBRA, too
Copycat huh? I guess we're talking about different Floyd Mayweathers....the one I'm talking about fights nothing like Ray Leonard.
Floyd is one hell of a fighter, and he's a lock for the slightly laughable Hall. That's not a knock on Floyd however...even if it was tougher to get in he'd be right in there with little argument from the boxing public.
Hey Libraman...Im a libraman too. The boxing world will never forget his fight with DelaHoya, and you I can tell, is not convinced too with his win over Oscar. Did he win?????? You think so????? lol
PBF best ever????????? I call it HALLUCINATION!
on top of that, but i was referring to hernandez. Hernandez was unbeaten at 130 before facing mayweather, and he beat Nelson. Pacman has yet to face a true 130 fighter. Not to mention beat one.