Trinidads legacy vs De la Hoya's legacy(dont post on the other one....)

You might just be the dumbest mother fucker to ever grace these forums. Your parents failed you. Na, you're the dumbest cock sucker in here. Rich boy u now why my name is Deeznuts cuz f@gget ass dikch3ads like you alway hanging on em........:owned:

As a matter of fact Oscar's notable wins are: Camacho after Trinidad Vargas after Trinidad Mayorga after Trinidad Oba Carr after Trinidad VS. Trinidad fought Whitaker after Oscar ..................and those are many of Oscars notable fights. It's funny how you have to defend Oscar's win over whitaker by saying (close but De la Hoya won it by aggresiveness and activity) but yet you put down Trinidad's win to a prime Campas by saying " not that good" give me a break, the same could be said over Trinidad's win over DLH won it by more agressiveness

Trinidad 3 weight world champion alphabet title at welter till unifing with de la hoya 15 defenses of his ibf welterweight title Undisputed super welterweight champion alphabet title at middleweight notable wins: welter: camacho(post primebut not that far from his prime) Carr(prime) Whitaker(end of career, 2 years after De la Hoya) Campas(prime, not that good) superwelter: reid(prime, impressive victory, but Reid was kinda untested ) vargas(prime) middle: joppy(prime, not that good but it was impressive that he koed him) mayorga(post prime and not in his natural weight) losses: hopkins wright should be De la Hoya Oscar De la Hoya 6 wieght champion paper title at 130 and 160 notable wins: lightweight: Molina(slightly post prime but good opposition when you have 16 fights...) Ruelas(prime, this made him the linear champ at 135) Hernandez(prime) Leija(slightly post-prime) light welter: Chavez(post prime but still an impressive victory) Gonzalez(prime, undefeated alphabet titlist at 135 with some defences) welter: Whitaker(post prime but still p4p fighter, close but De la Hoya won it by aggresiveness and activity Camacho(old...after trinidad) Chavez(old) Quartey(prime, close but i think he won) Carr(post trinidad but still good) Arturo Gatti(just a name) should have tito trinidad if he wasnt robbed super welter: Castillejo(prime, but more tough than good) Vargas(post trinidad, but still very good) Campas(post prime, not that good...) Mayorga(post prime, but more in his natural weight) should have shane mosley 2 if he wasnt robbed losses Hopkins Mosley 1 should be Sturm IN MY OPININION OSCAR DE LA HOYA HAS BY FAR THE GREATER LEGACY, BECAUSE TRINIDADS REIGN AT WELTERWEIGHT WAS LEGITIMIZED BY HIS VICTORY OVER DE LA HOYA!!!! AND WE ALL KNOW THAT FIGHT WAS A ROBBERY... DISCUSS... Ummmmmmmmmm...........did you forget Campas was wayyyyyyyyyyyy past his prime and Post Trinidad after Oscar fought him on PPV :nonono: Also oscar fought Mayorga after Trinidad

One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been. Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone. DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did. Are you serious? I guess you must see the world through boriqua colored glasses because according to a Puerto rican newspaper, De LaHoya begged Tito and his father at a dinner to rematch him. Tito's father refused, plain and simple. He knew what would happen if they fought again. I dissagree with the post that DLH and Tito would have beaten each other on any given night. DLH boxing skills were FAR superior to Tito's. If you look at their careers you can see it. Tito would always get caught and get knocked down, granted he would get up and win most of those fights, but he was suceptable to getting hit. DLH hardly ever got hit hard, he is a true boxer and thats why his style hasn't really been embraced by the Mexican (not Mexican-American) publlic. Tito had lead in both hands but DLH was far more refined and skilled as a fighter. DLH>Tito easily.

De la Hoya and Tito Trinidad are my all-time favorite boxers , in fact they were the ones that brought me to boxing around 1999.I see them like Morales an Barrera, one been the better boxer and the other the better fighter. I think both could've beaten each other in any given night. It wouldn’t be fare to put one above the other, if not in the same sentence like Barrera and Morales. Their "fight of the millennium" could've gone either way, 115-113 ODLH or to FTT, to me the score should've been 114-114 for an immediate rematch to take place. Also I thought they were way out of shape for the sturm and winky fights I believe prime to prime ODH & FTT where way better than winky and sturm. To me: ODLHFTT

De la Hoya and Tito Trinidad are my all-time favorite boxers , in fact they were the ones that brought me to boxing around 1999.I see them like Morales an Barrera, one been the better boxer and the other the better fighter. I think both could've beaten each other in any given night. It wouldn’t be fare to put one above the other, if not in the same sentence like Barrera and Morales. Their "fight of the millennium" could've gone either way, 115-113 ODLH or to FTT, to me the score should've been 114-114 for an immediate rematch to take place. Also I thought they were way out of shape for the sturm and winky fights I believe prime to prime ODH & FTT where way better than winky and sturm. To me: ODHFTT

One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been. Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone. DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did. Like I said.. you will argue it to the grave... As far as the rematches.. we all know a different side of it that Tito never wanted to fight Oscar again... And Oscar saying that he didn't want that fight is stupid because I think DLH has a block where he wants to avenge that loss Tito never duck anyone? How about Oscar, who went and publicly offered Tito to fight him on sooo many occasions? How about NOT trying to avenge any of his losses. If he felt that his win over DLH was questionable, he should have proven everyone otherwise by fighting Oscar. Tito went home crying with his papa after the Hopkins loss and Wright... And both timed he dugged his head in the sand and retired like a quitter

Truth of the matter is Oscar will always be the enemy in the eyes of all Borikuas.... as DLH and Trinidad's careers ran in parallel and of course they want their man to be the better man. Simple.... Can you blame them? I sure can't. To an unbiased fan, DLH>Trinidad. End of story... but that's just an opinion and will likely contradict with others. One must take into account the lack of intestinal fortitude that DLH possesed, which in turn resulted in close fights that should not have been. Tito was a true peoples champ. He never backed down, unlike DLH, Tito did not run from any opponent nor did he duck anyone. DLH was offered a rematch 3 times with Tito over a 2 year period at 154 and DLH never accepted stating that he did not need that fight and Tito did.

ohh come on, now it's not his fault cuz he hardly trained for that fight! We are talking about legacy, not bout boxing skills.... Oscar was/is the better boxer. Tito was/is the better fighter. I'm really sorry. Tito, never came back after a loss like Oscar did as a better fight. After Winky owned him, he just called it quits. Tito wasn't a true Middleweight, just a out of shape 154 fighter.

Truth of the matter is Oscar will always be the enemy in the eyes of all Borikuas.... as DLH and Trinidad's careers ran in parallel and of course they want their man to be the better man. Simple.... Can you blame them? I sure can't. To an unbiased fan, DLH>Trinidad. End of story... but that's just an opinion and will likely contradict with others.

IMHO Trinidad has the better legacy. Trinidad never lost at welter and unified the division with a total of 15 defenses. A complete terror in that division. DLH lost twice at welter against Tito and against Shane. Tito destroyed and unified the Jr. Middleweight division within one year. By winning a wide punishing UD over David Reid and knocking out a prime Vargas in 12 rounds. He then brutally KO'D Joppy to win a MW belt in his debut in the weight class. Only 2 fighters if I'm not mistaken have done this. Sugar Ray Leonard and Tito Trinidad both became MW champions the first time fighting at that weight. People will counter this by saying Tito was given a gift against ODLH. I believe a gift decision over DLH, a great fighter is alot better in a resume than a gift decision over Felix Sturm a B level fighter. Trinidad got knocked out by a 36 year old BHop in the 12th round got up before the 10 count but his father wisely interceded and stopped it. DLH 3 years later forced BHop in the contract to not weigh in over 156 pounds at the weigh in to their fight. BHop older and more weight drained still knocked him out 3 rounds sooner than Tito and DLH did not get up until maybe a minute after the fight was stopped. I do believe that DLH also did get some of Tito's leftovers. Vargas was never the same after his fight with Tito. Mayorga I believe could not have been the same after Tito. Also to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong) but DLH never unified a division. Tito destroyed 2 and unified and tried to unify a third. Also this is a personal beef I have with Oscar so this isn't a legitimate argument against whose legacy is better but here goes: I don't agree with Oscar's way of stacking the cards in his favor before a fight. With Vargas it was a big ring and they had to wear 10 ounce gloves rather than the standard of 8 ounce gloves back then. He fought Tito at welterweight knowing he was struggling to make weight. With BHop even though it was a MW fight he made the weigh in limit 156. Just 2 pounds over the Jr. MW division. Some will say he's just being a very shrewd business man and I respect their opinion but to me, to be a great fighter you fight fighters on even terms and may the best man win. People will say nobody forced them to sign the contract under those terms and while yes that's true, I find that argument academic because of how much money he brings to the table. So essentially to me both will be remembered as great fighters but in my opinion Tito has the better legacy.

Is it strange that I had Mosely II a draw?

Its funny how people like to say that DLH schooled Tito, when at best it could have been 115-113 DLH..... that is not being schooled. If that is the case, then one can say that Sturm schooled DLH. Oscar didn't hardly train for Sturm, I don't think that really counts. Fact is that Oscar has far better boxing skills than tito. I like Tito he was a thrill to watch. But that is fact.

This is exactly why it's hard to rate DLH. He either closely won or closely lost his biggest fights outside of the Hopkins fight. You could have him winning, losing or drawing with Whitaker, Trinidad, Mosley, Sturm, Quartey... Trinidad generally left no questions. He either fucked you up or got fucked up. You can't deny what the man did as a Welterweight, regardless of whether you think he lost to DLH (I thought Oscar won closely). I agree 100%!......well said

This is exactly why it's hard to rate DLH. He either closely won or closely lost his biggest fights outside of the Hopkins fight. You could have him winning, losing or drawing with Whitaker, Trinidad, Mosley, Sturm, Quartey... Trinidad generally left no questions. He either fucked you up or got fucked up. You can't deny what the man did as a Welterweight, regardless of whether you think he lost to DLH (I thought Oscar won closely).

I'm not kidding you... I feel that DLH won the second Mosley fight... but the funny thing is.. most of the people would agree with me :kabong: DLH lost to Sturm, some people think Quartey beat him, and Pernell also could be accountable for a L on DLH's record.

You have got to be joking if you think that DLH beat Mosley either of the times. I'm not kidding you... I feel that DLH won the second Mosley fight... but the funny thing is.. most of the people would agree with me :kabong:

115-113 !! You were obviously watching that fight with the rose colored Puerto Rican glasses on. Oscar won rounds 1 - 8 easily.. Some have even said he won round 9... Tito knew he lost.. Look at his reaction 1-8 hahahahahah that is quite funny... he did win 6 of the first eight, but not all 8. DLH lost to Sturm... a B class fighter.

And at technically two more wins.. Trinidad and Mosley II :boxing: You have got to be joking if you think that DLH beat Mosley either of the times.

Oscar's legacy is smudged by the fact that he's recieved alot of gifts during his career. He technically should have 2 more losses (Whittaker, Sturm). And possibly one more (Quartey). And at technically two more wins.. Trinidad and Mosley II :boxing: