Julio Cesar Chavez overrated?

JCC was old school, where fighters would fight a lot. Like Ray Robinson etc. Now days fighters only fight 1-3 fights a year max. James Toney used to fight in Non Title Fights regularly against bad fighters to stay sharp at Middle and Super Middle on ESPN quite alot.

JCC was old school, where fighters would fight a lot. Like Ray Robinson etc. Now days fighters only fight 1-3 fights a year max.

Everybody thats Calling him overated probably didnt see most of his fights Chavez fought at his peak in the late 80's and early 90's so I know alot of these young punks in here wernt even watching boxing at that time. The way I look at it if you wernt around in a boxers time then you cant really say he's overated because you dont even know who was who back then. LAMES!!!

Overrated how? And by whom? No one rates him as the best all-time at any weight class and his best Mexican ever tag has been loose as well. The starter of this topic though is ignorant or just having fun...beat bums between Mayweather and Rosario? Martinez, Castillo, Lockridge, and Laporte were bums? News to me. Sure, he fought some slack but who didn't? He ruined Mel Taylor, and had lots of solids like Tony Lopez, Haugen, Alli and even drew in a war with Gonzalez way late in his career. He was no worse than top five all-time at 130 and 140 and was probably top fifteen at 135. Good enough for me. Great Post. He has become underrated on this site imo opinion. Why is Azumah Nelson not bashed for beating Mario Martinez for a title like Chavez is. He fought the best around. Guys like Haugen, and Terrence Alli were in the Ring top ten at the time Chavez annihilated them. They were considered challenges at the time, why they are bums now I don't know.

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Overrated how? And by whom? No one rates him as the best all-time at any weight class and his best Mexican ever tag has been loose as well. The starter of this topic though is ignorant or just having fun...beat bums between Mayweather and Rosario? Martinez, Castillo, Lockridge, and Laporte were bums? News to me. Sure, he fought some slack but who didn't? He ruined Mel Taylor, and had lots of solids like Tony Lopez, Haugen, Alli and even drew in a war with Gonzalez way late in his career. He was no worse than top five all-time at 130 and 140 and was probably top fifteen at 135. Good enough for me.

he trained were i trained azteca boxing yeah boi and im the next one to go inside that ring and be the best

A nice record indeed. But lets be real here. About 90 of them fights were against bums. He would get a good win against a solid opponent and then for his next few fights he would fight guys with records like 5-3, 4-3, or with losing records. Had he stayed against world level opposition constantly like most fighters now adays and didnt wait till around his 50th fight to shoot for a title than his record would be nothing like it is. Damn you need to shut the fuck up all ready, who in the fuck has 90 big fights? If you name one I'll send you 50 bucks through paypal. Chavez had 40 fights against bums before his real test because he had no amateur experience. Chavez took on a lot of easy fights through out his career in order to kept himself busy and sharp. You guys act like the man walked around town bragging he was the man because of his big record. Chavez just fought a lot, get over it.

pinche culero how u ganna disrespect him like that

Willie Pep has 229 wins but, only 27 are against guys that were ranked. Why dont we criticize him?

I don't think too many people who watched Julio Cesar Chavez back when he was active and dominant would consider him overrated. He was tough as a mule and a sight meaner. He'd gladly walk through anything anyone cared to dish out just for any opportunity to respond in kind. He ducked no one. And he dominated for nearly a decade before his incredibly prolific fighting schedule finally caught up with him. The guy was a throwback to a different era and was widely and appropriately loved for it. Great post. Chavez is sadly looked down on by most people for his light non title fights. He fought and beat the best pretty easily for years. He is becoming increasingly underrated.

I don't think too many people who watched Julio Cesar Chavez back when he was active and dominant would consider him overrated. He was tough as a mule and a sight meaner. He'd gladly walk through anything anyone cared to dish out just for any opportunity to respond in kind. He ducked no one. And he dominated for nearly a decade before his incredibly prolific fighting schedule finally caught up with him. The guy was a throwback to a different era and was widely and appropriately loved for it.

yes he is way over-rated and thats why people never talk about him.

You're such an annoying little bitch. It's obvious you hate Barrera because of how he exposed that overrated loud mouth Princess Hamed. Whether or not Barrera avoided Pacquio pales in comparison to the bitch move that Hamed pulled after running back to England once MAB banged that hook nose of the Princess off the turnbuckle and gave him a boxing clinic. I don't hate Barerra I just rate Morales higher than him. Barerra's win against Naz is the only reason you lot suck his balls yet you are minipulating this against me and using it as a scapegoat as to why you think i'm bitter towards Barerra which has nothing to do with it. Had Morales fought Naz and lost I would STILL rate him over Barerra. Zimme?

Barrera fought: Jesus Salud Naseem Hamed Enrique Sanchez Erik Morales Johnny Tapia Kevin Kelley Manny Pacquiao Paulie Ayala Erik Morales (again) all in a row. Thats pretty tough fights to take all in a row like that. He then took his mandatory which means he had to do it or his title would be stripped against Mzonke Fana. He unified the tites with Robbie Peden after that. Then he was in grueling fight with Rocky Juarez. Many people said stay away from a rematch, Barrera is done. I remember the HBO announcers saying Barrera should avoid a rematch after that fight too. What does he do? He fights Juarez again and erases all doubts. Thats a man right there. and then his next fight is against who? One of the best fighters and most avoided fighters of this era, Juan Manuel Marquez. Barrera fights in a lot of tough fights back to back. Kevin Kelley? The guy was shot. If not shot, then badly past his prime. HBO caught some flack for having that mismatch on. Jesus Salud? The guy who lost to Kelley and then beat nobodies for 3 years? Johnny Tapia was a decent win. He did his better work in lower weight classes, and was given a gift against Manuel Medina in his previous fight. Barrera probably wanted to be nice and give his friend a nice payday so he fought him. Barrera is given credit for the Rocky Juarez fights because he struggled more than expected in the first fight, making Juarez look better (maybe he was underrated before hand). Before the fight, people were saying it was a mismatch. Juarez was stepping up big time in class. He had gotten lucky against Zahir Raheem and lost to Humberto Soto. If Barrera had taken care of him the first time like he did the 2nd time, the way he was supposed to, people wouldn't give MAB as much credit.

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Barrera fought: Jesus Salud Naseem Hamed Enrique Sanchez Erik Morales Johnny Tapia Kevin Kelley Manny Pacquiao Paulie Ayala Erik Morales (again) all in a row. Thats pretty tough fights to take all in a row like that. He then took his mandatory which means he had to do it or his title would be stripped against Mzonke Fana. He unified the tites with Robbie Peden after that. Then he was in grueling fight with Rocky Juarez. Many people said stay away from a rematch, Barrera is done. I remember the HBO announcers saying Barrera should avoid a rematch after that fight too. What does he do? He fights Juarez again and erases all doubts. Thats a man right there. and then his next fight is against who? One of the best fighters and most avoided fighters of this era, Juan Manuel Marquez. Barrera fights in a lot of tough fights back to back. lol he only took the rematch because he knew he would not trade with Juarez second time round and just box his way through, which is fine BUT why didn't he do the same with Pacman and give him a rematch straight away just like you say he did with Juarez and seem to be talking about that like he's some kind of warrior? Bit of a contradiction when you say one thing where you're praising Barerra for taking Juarez on straight after as if he's not afriad of anyone YET why has it been 4 years since he made up all that shit after losing to Pacman and still not backed it up. You can't have it both ways. I will not let this rest until Barerra keeps to his word and allows all that crap he chatted and rematches Pacman. You KNOW if that was Morales he would of rematched Pacquiao in a second, none of this 4 years of excuses bolloks avoiding him like a pussy and calling him out everytime he has something on. Morales would NEVER of done that that's why I respect him much more not just as a fighter but as a person aswell.

Barrera fought: Jesus Salud * Naseem Hamed Enrique Sanchez * Erik Morales Johnny Tapia * Kevin Kelley * Manny Pacquiao Paulie Ayala * Erik Morales (again) all in a row. Thats pretty tough fights to take all in a row like that. He then took his mandatory which means he had to do it or his title would be stripped against *****Mzonke Fana*****. He unified the tites with *****Robbie Peden******* after that. Then he was in grueling fight with Rocky Juarez. Many people said stay away from a rematch, Barrera is done. I remember the HBO announcers saying Barrera should avoid a rematch after that fight too. What does he do? He fights Juarez again and erases all doubts. Thats a man right there. and then his next fight is against who? One of the best fighters and most avoided fighters of this era, Juan Manuel Marquez. Barrera fights in a lot of tough fights back to back. Come on bro u know everyone i put an asterisk next to their name should not have been in there with Barrera they were either completely shot gone through a beating at the hands of Morales already, or were no longer viable contenders for anything serious. Even a fight with rocky Juarez was kind of pointless since Rocky had just decisively lost against a superior fighter, Humberto Soto.

Barrera has fought just as good opposition in my opinion. What good fighters did Morales fight that seperate him from Barrera. And please dont say In Jin Chi or any of them guys. If anything, Barrera seperates himself from Morales as far as opposition goes with the fights vs McKinney and Hamed, not to mention hes planning on taking on Marquez and Pac again in the near future. As far as the first two Barrera-Morales fights, i jsut explained the controversy in the first fight to show that Barrera should be the one of unified the 122 pound titles instead of Morales. I do think Morales won the second fight, and I think Barrera won the first. Barrera deffinately won the third though. How about the hall of fame bantam Daniel Zaragoza, former or current champs like Wayne McCullough, In Jin Chi, Hector Acero-Sanchez, Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, etc. Those guys all matter because they were all good fighters at one point. Those were all top guys at one point when Morales and Barrera were fighting. Opposition faced may have been the same, opposition BEATEN was something else. Morales beat both Jones and Pacquiao. When two fighters aren't as hotly debated at these guys and one is clearly better than the other, that doesn't matter. I think it tells us something though. The only controversial thing about the decision in that first fight was the phantom knockdown that they called against Morales. No punch landed, Morales was pushed down. Thinking about their history, I highly doubt Morales approached Barrera and told him that. I understand that's what Barrera said, but what kind of proof is that... The second fight was as controversial than the first. Morales was controlling those early rounds rather easily and the rest of the fight was a dead split.

Chavez is a living legend. He was the ultimate badass, but that doesnt make him a p4p great. I dont think anyone truely considers him a p4p great. He was viewed as a hero in the eyes of his people. That why he is a legend. So I guess Roberto Duran isn't a Hall of Famer either. JCC was a great fighter, p4p great? WTF is that? I grow weary of you people always bringing up these stupid threads. You wouldn't know a all time great from an all time grate.