Did weight training ruin Toney?

I dont know why people are saying that Toney wasnt as fat for this fight - he was one fat cunt that weighed a pound more than for his last fight. If he had of come in a little lighter and had been able to move better then he wouldnt have taken as much punishment. He's finished, anyway. Isnt a heavyweight, never was. Its a shame cos I love the guy, he's got such a great style and would be a problem for anyone. He should really be able to get down to light heavy but we all know he won't do that. Imagine Toney/Hopkins, Toney/Calzaghe, Toney/Jones Jr, Toney/Adamek, even Toney/Woods - these'd be great fights that I would love to see. But he loves dem burgers!!!!

Toney was never a heavyweight, he was an exceptional fighter around middleweight who got fat and became a heavyweight. This is what screwed him up, he lost his fitness, agility and punch power. It says a lot about the standard of the division that Toney was still one of the better heavy's out there!

weight drain did ruin his nite but it was peters weight drain peter looked great nice speed and obvious power he should look at this tape and realize he doesnt always need to be swingin for the fences he was hurtin toney when he seemed to least be tryin and that KD was as legit as can be not only rule wise but he hurt toney with that not had him on dream street but it was just balance in slow mo it looks like it was a push but watch it reg speed it was one of those power punch jabs just came out and bam right one the kisser

yeah, losing his handspeed and agility really fucked him.... i never thought i'd say this but he should have just come in fat, he would have taken less punishment I can't help but agree. Toney should have stuck with the formula.

Toney uses weight training several years. I agree that lazy man is seldom overtrained. But the key is the new method he was using for the 2nd Peter fight. It's new and that's why it became alien. James approaches to his critical age but Blanks didn't help at all, he did the things even worse.

Well, if your genetics deem that your built to be, at most, a cruiserweight, then massing on more than that would definitely be detrimental, as we have seen .I think that if Lights Out were to drop back down to cruiser (I know, it'll never happen, but if he DID) he'd rule the division.

I could be wrong but it seems he spent more time conditioning with Billy Blanks than he did working on boxing strategy with Freddie Roach. How many times has Toney arrogantly stated that he doesn't use a strategy? This is a big part of his problem. You can deal with someone better if you know their tendencies. That's why the oaf lost. Peter was coached on how to deal with him. Imagine if NFL teams didn't do this. You'd never have successful franchises like the Patriots, who live off exploiting a team's flaws or potential flaws week in and week out.

LMAO @ the thought of Toney and Training in the same sentence without words "is to lazy to take" to break them up

He went up to heavyweight and fought quality heavyweights. Ezzard Charles, Sam Langford, Greb, Mickey Walker, Billy Conn, Joe Walcott, Fitzsimmons...numerous guys did it. Don't make it sound like James Toney did anything unprecedented with his career. He's one of the greatest fighters in the last 20 years, and that's something, but don't try to make him out to me something he wasn't. He's no top 10 or even top 20 PFP all time.

you guys need to put it to a rest....i cant believe his antics ( which werent real) acutally effected people, it kinda makes me laugh when i think about it!! you guys are fools and ive said it before, it doesnt matter what any of you haters say....hes top 10 dead/alive and a future HOF...no one has ever done what he did!

No I don't think so, Peter was just alot better this time around.

He sure did look much slower this time.

I could be wrong but it seems he spent more time conditioning with Billy Blanks than he did working on boxing strategy with Freddie Roach.

Exactly, Toney simply aged like everyone else in the history of the human race. He also fought a Peter who was 100% better and smarter than in the first fight. Exactly, Peter fought the perfect big man fight & never let Toney get on the inside. I thought Toney looked in great shape but I couldn't tell you if it was stamina that made him less effective or the fact that Peter didn't give him enough of a target to fire combinations at, but like the Kid said, time catches up to us all. I also think the weight had alot to do with it, JT just couldn't let go of that dream of being a HW champ, can you imagine if Toney had picked a weight like supermiddle or cruiser and stayed fit he'd have been a force to recon with.

I think Burger King had more than a little bit of a contribution. I'm sure Mackie Shilstone or a Teddy Atlas wouldn't recommend the Whopper as part of a diet for training.

no, age, wear-and-tear, and lifestyle caught up to him.

As a big Toney fan myself, I say give it a rest. I knew going in he was going to lose to Peter regardless, although I hoped maybe I was wrong. Its not the weight training, its not his weight. He was going to lose that fight whether he was 220 or 240. I give him props because I think he actually trained hard for this fight. You cant expect miracles just four months after his fight. You figure he gives himself about a month of rest. He probably ballooned to about 250-260. People like Trimble were expecting him to be 220 pounds of muscle with the speed of a 28 year old Toney. Peter was the better man. Its over now.

i think its a matter of him just fighting in a weight class where his opponents are just too big for him! also i think he would have been 10000% better if he cut weight properly ( not eating only lettuce 3 weeks prior to the weight-in`s and taking night-quil to sleep, he couldnt sleep because he was so hungry)

it was a good figh watch it again

I think from all the salads and beans he has been fed, Toney simply had gas.. he was congested and coudn't let it out... That's explains it, doesn't it? :dunno: