If Mayweather beats Margarito, will you discredit Margarito?

Personally think Margarito is a very good fighter that has improved in a major way since his last loss, but still needs more bouts to work on his skills - just too inactive of late. Not really his fault from what I've heard, as most of the names have been avoiding him for so long, but would like him to have had more of a steady diet of decent contenders. As regards to Mayweather, would put PBF in as about a 5-3 favourite, but think it would be a very dangerous bout for him, as Margarito's got the chin, strength & punching power to take Floyd out, & he's willing to take shots to deliver. A bigger, stronger Castillo in many respects.

Is that why they all went on to get their asses kicked in their fights after Margarito? When Trinidad beat up David Reid, it was "Trinidad ruined Reid." But when Margarito beats up his opponets, who at "one time" were considered contenders, they are called "bums." Why the hate for Margarito, i know, because if Floyd was to stick around he would have to fight Margarito. Kyvelos got KNOCKED OUT by Cosme Rivera! The same Cosem Rivera who got robbed against Joel Julio. :owned: This is the same guy that got destroyed by Judah in 3 rounds. And Manuel Gomez ko'd Janutah, this is the same guy that Ouma and Abraham went 12 rounds with. And Margarito ko'd Gomez in 1. Lujan got his ass kicked by the German titleholder that beat Santos. So that should tell you that the german is a good fighter. Shotgun Gomez just got schooled not too long ago by a prospect. Gomez was ranked in top ten ring rankings and KO'D Jantuah. Abrahem and Ouma couldn't do it. But of course the great Margarito beat them so they are all great fighters... :nonono: What has become of Brussels? Or Sosa?

Is that why they all went on to get their asses kicked in their fights after Margarito? Kyvelos got KNOCKED OUT by Cosme Rivera! This is the same guy that got destroyed by Judah in 3 rounds. Lujan got his ass kicked by the German titleholder that beat Santos. Shotgun Gomez just got schooled not too long ago by a prospect. But of course the great Margarito beat them so they are all great fighters... :nonono: lol, that's so fucking true. But, remember, Margarito is an All-time great, Gomez, Cintron, Lujan, kyvelos and the unforgettable Robert West. The most feared fighter alive!!!!!!!! P4P N1 margarito !! He will ko Gaysupergayweather with one punch because mayweather is gay ( look at my perfect argument here ) 2nd argument : Mayweather is a gay 3rd argument : Mayweather ducked Margarito because Arum said that and Arum is the voice of god. Pbf, has no skills, he just run around the ring like Asafa Powell. Gatti, Margarito, Butterbean, here are some real aof

I'd definently rather see Mosley-Mayweather than Margarito-Mayweather.

would you prefer this fight over floyd-mosley? I think floyd-mosley would be a tougher fight for floyd compared to floyd-DLH .. DLH always had problems with quick fighters. Floyd-Mosley would be a competitive fight, that is 2 world class fighters going at it. Margarito is a contender who has prevailed in a talent-deprived division over trial horses.

Any gains he earns in there would be solely from will, nothing tactical. In the grand scheme of things, Morales is a C fighter going against an A fighter. The only thing I see for Margarito's cause is his size, but he has nothing technical to offer Mayweather. would you prefer this fight over floyd-mosley? I think floyd-mosley would be a tougher fight for floyd compared to floyd-DLH .. DLH always had problems with quick fighters.

I don't think that he would be able to give floyd problems. he would probably just win 3 rounds... floyd would be too elusive for him. Any gains he earns in there would be solely from will, nothing tactical. In the grand scheme of things, Morales is a C fighter going against an A fighter. The only thing I see for Margarito's cause is his size, but he has nothing technical to offer Mayweather.

If Mayweather beats Margarito in my eyes he will be the UNDISPUTED King of 147. So no I will no discredit him, I discredit him more for not fighting him.

Alot of people think Margarito would beat Mayweather, I guess the Cintron fight was something more than I can assess, I dunno. If Mayweather destroys him, or does what he did to Baldomir Saturday, will you finally say let's cut the shit and find another big welterweight to ooh and ahh at? Let's try to stay on topic here. I don't think that he would be able to give floyd problems. he would probably just win 3 rounds... floyd would be too elusive for him.

I've lived most of my life around Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, and let me tell you this. They are as different as black and white, I wanted to draw that distinction there. Both of them look down on one another, you will never see a Mexican root for a Puerto Rican or vice versa. Im black by way of race, puerto rican in some cultural respects if your speaking on certain nationality traits, my mother is from there, so i know what your saying. but im 100 percent american even if you count puerto rico..an american territory.

Alot of people think Margarito would beat Mayweather, I guess the Cintron fight was something more than I can assess, I dunno. If Mayweather destroys him, or does what he did to Baldomir Saturday, will you finally say let's cut the shit and find another big welterweight to ooh and ahh at? Let's try to stay on topic here. if margarito doesnt get it done then he should fight williams cuz margs just a huge welter with a punch lets see him take on a huge welter with a punch and speed its like floyd said they never wanna give him his due they wanna say he aint gonna be an all time great cuz he doesnt layem all out but hes so good he doesnt need to KO them he can be in their 12 full rds with fighters and still be in complete n utter control

Ferocity nice lowrider man. i think you are the first one in this site to put a lowrider. that lowrider is famous too i seen it in lowrider magazine. anyway about the mexicain and Puerto Ricans not likeing each other is like Indian and Pakstain, it like Arab and Persian its like Arab between each other. Every nation have this hate in them it mostly from ignorance or injustice. As for Margarito i think he is a decent WW but no P4P material yet he should prove it. As well as he go fucked by Arum and i think he should change the promoter to get the Mayweather fight but i dont think so. because Arum owns Margarito ass right now. any other decent Mexician WW right now because the division is invaded by PR

To give Margarito credit would mean giving credit to guys like Hercules Kyvelos, Sebastian Lujan, and Shotgun Gomez as top welterweights because these are the fighters Margarito has beat... You have no idea where these fighters were ranked when they fought Margarito, so you need to talk about somone you know. Just so you know, a Kyvelos fight is comparable to a Cintron fight and Lujan gave Margarito a tougher fight. And Gomez he KO'D Juantuah, a fighter that lasted 12 rounds with Ouma and Abrahem, so what does Ali G, say, "Big Ups", you got :owned:

Now that Im not fat anymore like when I was little, I look more asian. Of course its the fat cheeks that makes my littel nephew look asian, good news, he's starting to lose his fat cheeks and he's not looking asian anymore, sad thing about this, is that im not lieing.

From your picture you don't look anything like a Mexican. Now that Im not fat anymore like when I was little, I look more asian.

Thats what is rumored, and its said that Floyd got the type of money because in the contract Goosen now will promote Floyd for his next fight. so? What does this prove? Its been documented that Floyd ducked Margarito. it proves that the offer was there when it looked like Floyd was gonna fight Oscar and make much more money. Then when it made sense for Floyd to accept it, the offer was gone I remember many others, being mad at floyd for choseing Baldomier as his next opponet, thats not counting the Mayweather nuthuggers. if fighting the man in a divisions is a bad choice of opponent, fighting a paper champ who lost a fight as soon as he vnetured at 154, was sure a great choice...yeah right Floyds never said, Arums offer was bogus, but many have given differnt numbers as to how much Floyd got paid for Baldomier. tell me something about this different numbers, and about all the times floyd was asked if the offer was true He will never be considered the best. probably, it is not for you or me to say now that he is 29 Sure, it wont. When people are asking to judge Mayweather good and bad, they have to talk about the bad, the bad being that he ducked Antonio Margarito. And its not wishfull thinking. You know Rocky Marciano right? Well, i've heard on more then one occasion by boxing historians that Rocky retired rather then face his mandatory Floyd Patterson. So, yes, belive it, Margarito will come to haunt Floyd Mayweather. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL you are bringing Marciano as an example of a fighter whose legacy was damaged, by not fighting a mandatory... you could have picked better. the same man who many boxing historians pick to beat Ali? LOL (i completely disagree with them, btw) Marciano has a legion of blind fans among experts too... but let's assume for a second that Marciano legacy was actually tarnished by this... 1. Margarito is not Floyd's mandatory (if anything it's margarito who has a mandatory to fight and they are not fighting) 2. Floyd Patterson went on to be the HW champion after Marciano retired, as you see to make the comparison you need Margarito to be the man at WW after Floyd leaves: as I wrote earlier your claim relies on Tony' future performances and so far it is only wishful thinking So, so, i saw. See, you showing your ignorance to the Margarito-Mayweather situation. am i showing my ignorance, by not sharing your opinion? you are awesome

It's fucked up, I know but thats the way it is. Everybody is exactly alike but that means nothing to anybody. Most people think I'm a slanty eyed mexican, thats how close everybody really is. I live in the ghetto, where people are oppressed by their own self destructive practices. That is one of the self destructive practices that occur. From your picture you don't look anything like a Mexican.

You always fallback on that "OH WHITAKER FOULED CHAVEZ SO MANY TIMES" man, you overstate that shit, alot of that was on the belt or borderline, and a fighter like Chavez wouldnt have much leverage in complaining since chavez was knew all the dirty tricks, just like hopkins does. I respect chavez for knowing those tricks, because he was slick and got away with alot of headbutting/lowblowing. Whitaker dominated chavez, period, and if whitaker was doing as much lowblowing/fouling as you say, why WOULDNT he be penalized, as many times as whitaker was robbed and cheated, why wouldnt they cheat him against chavez in a favborable crowd? come on man, your reaching and you know it, JCC got dominated and whitaker should have gotten the win, period. You hate for Chavez is showing. What Whitiker did was run all night long. Tell me why Whitiker refused a rematch with Chavez? Baldomir is comparable in terms of the style he attempts to use, Baldomir is Margarito-Lite, Margarito is the better fighter in terms of youth/size, but its not like Margarito is light years ahead in terms of talent/skill. Neither are that great, im not brainwashed by anything, i just know better. And my opinion on the matter is alot more realistic than yours based on the fact that we have seen mayweather in with pressure fighters before and the result is the same, if margarito had been in with ANY B/A class fighter before, then we could assess better what Margarito would do, but since we havent, the edge goes to mayweather based on what we have seen from that style before, which gives me the edge over YOU in this argument. Baldomier is on a lower level then Margarito - case closed. Thats how betting odds are made in any sport, when we have seen what one side can do against another in similar opposition. If the other side hasnt faced opposition to the calibre of the opponent, than that person is the underdog, Margarito is the underdog, and mayweather is the favorite based on the logic that we have seen mayweather in with guys who fight like margarito before and we have seen him come out on top. Your argument is based more on wishing and hypothetical hoping rather than actual talent/skill/resume. Your way of thinking is called reaching. Mayweather has never faced a fighter as strong as Margarito or one who hits as hard as Margarito. Look Mayweather said, I quote, "We're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans, who the best is!" then he said, "its about making smart decicions that are going to move me up!" Mayweather wants nothing to do with a dangerous fighter like Margarito, cause as Mayweather said, "we're not fighting to prove to the boxing fans, who the best it...." You believe very wrong, and I am surprised since we have been arguing over this for months (by we I mean exactly you and me). the big offer was smaller than waht Floyd made fighting Baldomir Thats what is rumored, and its said that Floyd got the type of money because in the contract Goosen now will promote Floyd for his next fight. the big offer vanished from the table, the minute pbf-dlh fell through (which is a very surprising fact and should leave you wandering how a succesfull entrepreneur like Bob Arum cannot have access to financial institutions, when he is short of cash at a particular time... bad credit history?? dont make me laugh more than i already did) What does this prove? Its been documented that Floyd ducked Margarito. I was here when baldomir was announced, I predicetd floyd UD (by less than the landslide it was admittedly), and like many others on this forum, I was not disappointed because Baldomir was the man at 147. I remember many others, being mad at floyd for choseing Baldomier as his next opponet, thats not counting the Mayweather nuthuggers. 1. 8 millions were in Arum's mouth 2. if you are willing to buy that, you also have to buy floyd's camp and espn saying they made more for Baldomir Floyds never said, Arums offer was bogus, but many have given differnt numbers as to how much Floyd got paid for Baldomier. I agree that he is not going to be the greatest if he retires He will never be considered the best. the notion that Margarito name will come to haunt him later is your wishful thinking and rests on Margarito FUTURE performances not on what he has done so far. Sure, it wont. When people are asking to judge Mayweather good and bad, they have to talk about the bad, the bad being that he ducked Antonio Margarito. And its not wishfull thinking. You know Rocky Marciano right? Well, i've heard on more then one occasion by boxing historians that Rocky retired rather then face his mandatory Floyd Patterson. So, yes, belive it, Margarito will come to haunt Floyd Mayweather. As you can read above I know enough about the news to say what I want So, so, i saw. Again this is just your fantasizing or being able to read floyd's mind (if it's the latter, you could be useful in margarito's corner) See, you showing your ignorance to the Margarito-Mayweather situation. Yeah your either retarted or so biased your blind. Whitaker schooled Chavez, and Baldy has beaten better opponents than Tony. These are just facts. Running is what Whitiker did, besidees teh fact that Whitiker hit Chavez in the balls about a millliion times. As yourself this, would Margarito be able to beat the same opponet that Baldomier did? Of course he would have and beaten them in worse fashion. Floyd says, gett off his balls.

I disagree with you 99% of the time, this is the 1% It's fucked up, I know but thats the way it is. Everybody is exactly alike but that means nothing to anybody. Most people think I'm a slanty eyed mexican, thats how close everybody really is. I live in the ghetto, where people are oppressed by their own self destructive practices. That is one of the self destructive practices that occur.

I've lived most of my life around Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, and let me tell you this. They are as different as black and white, I wanted to draw that distinction there. Both of them look down on one another, you will never see a Mexican root for a Puerto Rican or vice versa. I disagree with you 99% of the time, this is the 1%