Better Career: MORALES OR DE LA HOYA?

Other than Hopkins, the hype for Oscar's bouts with Hernandez, Chavez and Ruelas were far bigger. I thought he beat Sturm, he beat Whitaker, he beat Quartey. I had him losing the fight to Quartey going into the final round, but in my opinion he pulled out a 10-7 round and in most the cases the ref would have stopped the fight with the way Quartey was getting fucked up against the ropes. Oscar never gave him a rematch because Quartey wanted a shitload of money. Sturm also had the fight won but gave it away by never attacked Oscar when he gassed or doing anything other than a jab for the last four rounds. Whitaker also had the fight won and decided to clown around for the last three rounds, especially the final round. De La Hoya robbed against Mosley big time in the second fight. Even he admits he lost the first time in a fight that almost won fight of the year honors. If you watch the interview immediately following the fight, you'll notice that when he is asked about a rematch Oscar says "No, there are much bigger fights out there for me." Which indicates that he had already turned down a rematch in his own head without consulting Quartey, and it was in fact Oscar who wanted really big money...

Back in the day, fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson would fight every 2 weeks. lol...naw playa i'm not talking every two weeks...i'm talk at least 4 fight per year...at least meaning there can be more...give the fans what they want and they want to see their favorite fighter more than twice a year..

I would too if I literally made no less than $5 million per fight. Why risk it? Fighting at that top level, someone could kill you. Drop the risk by fighting less and getting paid more. but the fighting less is a tread for most fighter today...well over 3/4 of the boxers today aint getting paid jack to fight less...you risk injury in every bout...and especially if you KO someone and hardly take any shots...then a fight should be scheduled sooner...

What the fuck does fighting 2 times a year have to do with who had the better career, and who has accomplished more. I don't know know how people can argue against this. It's that blindedly obvious, that Oscar De La Hoya has had the better career. it has alot to do with it playa...morrales ran the tables like an old school fight and never got too hollywood...dlh on the other hand got REALLY holywood with his scheduling...two fight a year aint shit....hell on a pace like that it takes 10 yrs to find out if you really love or hate a fighter....

I would have to say Morrales...just check his track record....the dude fight anybody, not say DLH doesnt but Morrales is not on that fight 2X/yr shit like the famed DLH...he never became too big time for himself or his fans.... What the fuck does fighting 2 times a year have to do with who had the better career, and who has accomplished more. I don't know know how people can argue against this. It's that blindedly obvious, that Oscar De La Hoya has had the better career.

two of the best boxers of there era, who do you think has had tha better career so far? speak on it... I would have to say Morrales...just check his track record....the dude fight anybody, not say DLH doesnt but Morrales is not on that fight 2X/yr shit like the famed DLH...he never became too big time for himself or his fans....

Let's see... Oscar has fought: Benard Hopkins Shane Mosley Fernando Vargas Felix Trinidad Oba Carr Ike Quartey Julio Cesar Chavez Pernell Whitaker Hector Camacho Genaro Hernandez Floyd Mayweather Jr.(soon enough) along with: Gatti Leija Ruelas Mayorga Oscar has his own promotion company, which has signed 4 future hall of famers such as: Mosley, Hopkins, Wright and DLH. Oscar has been the FACE of boxing for the past decade. And making over $20 mill a fight doesn't hurt either. This isn't even a contest on who had the better career.

Look at every single one of Oscars biggest fights: Whitaker - Very controversial, DLH is dropped and outboxed for a good part of the fight but takes the fight by 6!!! points on some cards? Trinidad - Oscar boxes beautifully early but gives away rounds late...loses a drama filled majority decision. Mosely 1&2 - Oscar is sluggish in the first fight and is clearly beaten by the better Mosely. The second fight in controversial as Oscar performs much more like Oscar, but alas he is still on the losing end of a unanimous decision. Controversy ensues... Quartey - Oscar is beaten up in this one. He doesn't really find an answer for Ike's physicality all night and changes his luck in the final round when he finds a burst and puts Ike down. I think the 12th pulled the blinders over people eyes as to what happened throughout the first 11 rounds of the fight....controversy ensues because of the close SD and because Oscar NEVER gives Ike a rematch. Vargas - Good fight, no controversy on Oscar's end but more on Vargas' end...and he roids up for the performance. Sturm - Many feel that Oscar lost this fight, but Sturm put himself in the position to get a bad decision against the home team. Oscar shows up fat and sluggish, it outboxed and shows it at the end of the fight. Hopkins - Oscar is very stiff and robotic, has a few rounds that he wins because of Hopkins' ever so strange reluctance to attack his smaller man. Oscar is KOed his one punch by a body shot and controversy ensues when people speculate that he took a dive. He enters into a business relationship with B-Hop soon after :D Other than Hopkins, the hype for Oscar's bouts with Hernandez, Chavez and Ruelas were far bigger. I thought he beat Sturm, he beat Whitaker, he beat Quartey. I had him losing the fight to Quartey going into the final round, but in my opinion he pulled out a 10-7 round and in most the cases the ref would have stopped the fight with the way Quartey was getting fucked up against the ropes. Oscar never gave him a rematch because Quartey wanted a shitload of money. Sturm also had the fight won but gave it away by never attacked Oscar when he gassed or doing anything other than a jab for the last four rounds. Whitaker also had the fight won and decided to clown around for the last three rounds, especially the final round. De La Hoya robbed against Mosley big time in the second fight. Even he admits he lost the first time in a fight that almost won fight of the year honors.

I call controversy when Oscar showed up with body armor around his rib cage. That pretty much nullified Vargas' body attack. Yeah,sometimes Oscar uses that thing as a bra.

Why do you people put emphasis on these damn "wars". You ever think De La Hoya doesnt get into 'wars" because he was too intelligent ringwise and had enough pure boxing skill to where going to "war" wasnt really nessecary? Because often times thats when we see a fighter actually tested to his limits. Ali-Frazier, Sugar Ray-Duran/Hagler/Hearns, Corrales-Castillo.....etc Oscar did have a good "war" with Vargas though. But this has also been a knock on RJJ.

Look at every single one of Oscars biggest fights: Whitaker - Very controversial, DLH is dropped and outboxed for a good part of the fight but takes the fight by 6!!! points on some cards? Trinidad - Oscar boxes beautifully early but gives away rounds late...loses a drama filled majority decision. Mosely 1&2 - Oscar is sluggish in the first fight and is clearly beaten by the better Mosely. The second fight in controversial as Oscar performs much more like Oscar, but alas he is still on the losing end of a unanimous decision. Controversy ensues... Quartey - Oscar is beaten up in this one. He doesn't really find an answer for Ike's physicality all night and changes his luck in the final round when he finds a burst and puts Ike down. I think the 12th pulled the blinders over people eyes as to what happened throughout the first 11 rounds of the fight....controversy ensues because of the close SD and because Oscar NEVER gives Ike a rematch. Vargas - Good fight, no controversy on Oscar's end but more on Vargas' end...and he roids up for the performance. Sturm - Many feel that Oscar lost this fight, but Sturm put himself in the position to get a bad decision against the home team. Oscar shows up fat and sluggish, it outboxed and shows it at the end of the fight. Hopkins - Oscar is very stiff and robotic, has a few rounds that he wins because of Hopkins' ever so strange reluctance to attack his smaller man. Oscar is KOed his one punch by a body shot and controversy ensues when people speculate that he took a dive. He enters into a business relationship with B-Hop soon after :D

Morales can box when he wants to, using the long jab and right hand to pick off his smaller opponents. He just gets into slugging matches because he has too much pride to let someone get away with hitting him clean without coming back at them. Erik has a great jab when he decides to use it.

Why do you people put emphasis on these damn "wars". You ever think De La Hoya doesnt get into 'wars" because he was too intelligent ringwise and had enough pure boxing skill to where going to "war" wasnt really nessecary? Morales can box when he wants to, using the long jab and right hand to pick off his smaller opponents. He just gets into slugging matches because he has too much pride to let someone get away with hitting him clean without coming back at them.

Why do you people put emphasis on these damn "wars". You ever think De La Hoya doesnt get into 'wars" because he was too intelligent ringwise and had enough pure boxing skill to where going to "war" wasnt really nessecary?

Morales has had his share of iffy wins, like his first fight with Barrera where just about everyone thought Barrera won and the first fight with Guty Espades, Jr, another fight where a lot of people thought he lost, including HBO. De La Hoya fought three fighters recognized at one point or another as the top pound for pound fighter in the world. Was one title away from unifying the 154 pound division, began his career at 130 and went all the way to 160 to fight Hopkins and did better for a few rounds than Tarver at 175 did in the entire fight. A few other fighters I left out that Oscar beat were a prime Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Wilfredo Rivera, Oba Carr, he stopped Jeff Mayweather in his 5th pro fight and Mayweather was 23-2. What guys do you see fight anyone with a record like that in their 5th pro fight and Mayweather was a decent fighter. There was Molina, Genero Hernandez, Leija, etc. Oscar has a resume like an all star list of boxing. The funny part about that fight was that I thought each round won by either fighter was clear, and Morales still won it despite a bullshit knockdown that almost fucked him over. The reason I feel like people thought he "lost" the Espadas fight is because he looked more flat than he ever had before, and he finished in a rather weak fashion. I thought he still won the fight, but it was closer than it should have been. De La Hoya has pulled some shit that should be looked down upon as well. Never giving Ike Quartey a rematch being one, giving rounds away against Trinidad being two, straight robbing my boy Sweet Pea out of a hard earned victory (nah just fuckin with you on this one). Commending Oscar for his losses mean very little to me. His performance against Hopkins was very poor (which isn't THAT huge of a knock on him), his performance against Mosely in their first bout was poor, we all know what happened in that drama filled Tito fight. There is no doubting Oscars great list of opponents...I just feel as if he has never been a dominating, convincing champion. I also don't feel like he's one of the 5 best fighters ever in ANY weight class he's been in. Not once have I felt like this. Morales in my opinion has been. But being real about it, neither one of these guys is light years ahead of the other in terms of how great they are. I just give Erik the edge.

Morales has had his share of iffy wins, like his first fight with Barrera where just about everyone thought Barrera won and the first fight with Guty Espades, Jr, another fight where a lot of people thought he lost, including HBO. De La Hoya fought three fighters recognized at one point or another as the top pound for pound fighter in the world. Was one title away from unifying the 154 pound division, began his career at 130 and went all the way to 160 to fight Hopkins and did better for a few rounds than Tarver at 175 did in the entire fight. A few other fighters I left out that Oscar beat were a prime Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Wilfredo Rivera, Oba Carr, he stopped Jeff Mayweather in his 5th pro fight and Mayweather was 23-2. What guys do you see fight anyone with a record like that in their 5th pro fight and Mayweather was a decent fighter. There was Molina, Genero Hernandez, Leija, etc. Oscar has a resume like an all star list of boxing.

This is funny...especially the people bringing the whole "one is better than the other by a huge margin" BS aspect to the table. Erik Morales has been THE GUY in 3 different weight classes. He was the UNIFIED, UNDISPUTED king of 122 pounds, beating 2 HOF fighters while at that weight. Oscars weight jumping may look nice, but at many of his different weights he wasn't the recognized champ and/or had very "iffy" wins. He made 9 or so title defenses of his WBC title while being the reigning champ. One could argue that he's the best 122 pounder of all-time (even though that distinction goes to Gomez in my opinion) and he's certainly top 3. He has beaten 12 current or former world champions and went 41-0 before ever losing that second fight to Barrera. That decision was hotly disputed and a large portion of boxing fans and writers felt Morales had won. His list of competition needs no explanation...he fought the who's who of the lighter weights. Barrera, Pacquiao, McCullough, Jones, Sanchez, Ayala, Kelley, Chavez, Hernandez, Espadas, Zaragoza, etc etc. Unlike De La Hoya you will NEVER see Erik Morales run from a fight or play the cutesy role. He always comes to lay it out on the line for his fans and he never fails to disappoint. He was one of the most active champions around his time and he was one of the most exciting fighters to watch as well. Morales and box and can brawl...he is one of the most dynamic punchers the lower weights has ever seen. De La Hoya is one of the biggest draws ever and his work for the sport has been crazy. He gets love from me because I enjoy watching him fight as much as anyone. I just think that if you look STRICTLY at the IN-RING accomplishments, Morales has the better career. Every single one of Oscar's biggest fights has been surrounded in controversy and drama...Morales has never left room for that.

De La Hoya by a mile, he fought a who's who of great fighters over the last decade. Guys like Whitaker, Ruelas, Chavez, Paez, Quartey, Hopkins, Vargas, Mosley, Trinidad, Campas, Gatti, Camacho, Castillejo, Mayorga. There was a point in time where Oscar went from one big fight to the next. No other fighter since Sugar Ray Leonard has made more money below the heavyweight level than De La Hoya. Oscar made more money in his career than Morales, Pacquiao, Barrera and Marquez combined.

I think boxing historians will speak greater of Morales than De La Hoya. I second that!

I say Morales. We are talking about boxing career not being famous. Morales has face alot of champions(so has Oscar) but Morales has face them at their prime.