Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Kassim Ouma
Winky Wright
Nassem Hamed
Joel Casamayor
Manny Pacquio
Joe Calzaghe
Tarver
This is in my order :D
many will disagree but it more of an opoin
You cannot have Ouma ahead of Wright on your list, and this is not a matter of opinion, Wright is just flat out better.
You know you cant judge somone you dont know.
I an opoin so everyone have a different thing
what about Demscus Corly and Corly Spinks
lol wtf?...opoin lol demscus lmfao corly lmfao
Mine in no particular Order: (EDITED)
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Hector Camacho
4. Winky Wright
5. Jose Luis Rameriez
6. Vicente Saldivar
7. Michael Moorer
8. Michael Nunn
9. Flash Elorde
10. Lew Tendler
Honorable mentions: Freddie Miller, Tiger Flowers, Khaosai Galaxy
i have hagler above whitaker coz hagler was only a converted southpaw and he excelled with that stance
Mine in no particular Order: (EDITED)
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Hector Camacho
4. Winky Wright
5. Jose Luis Rameriez
6. Vicente Saldivar
7. Michael Moorer
8. Michael Nunn
9. Flash Elorde
10. Lew Tendler
Honorable mentions: Freddie Miller, Tiger Flowers, Khaosai Galaxy
i have hagler above whitaker coz hagler was only a converted southpaw and he excelled with that stance
I thought DLH won the fight against Whitaker.
I remember watching it the first time....thinking Whitaker controlled the pace of the fight for the most part.
The second time I watched it.....I clearly scored it for Oscar. I thought he landed the more effective punches.
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Hagler's middleweight title defenses also should count for something....and he defended titles against guys who were outright beasts. He always came to fight....and he never tried to simply frustrate his opponent into quitting.
I know Pernell is your boy and all, but many people did not appreciate his fighting style. I personally don't like it...and I think it's a bit overbearing. When someone uses the entire ring....to simply run around and escape punches....while throwing a few nifty jab combos here and there, it sucks.
I respect his fighting style, and based simply on the guys he's beat alone, but it's not the same as actually fighting them like Hagler did.
He just tried to outpoint everyone.
I thought Whitaker got the best of DLH with his jab and defense. DLH was frustrated in the middle portions of the fight. Whitaker got the losing end of the stick because his style isn't aesthetically pleasing and he clowned around a bit too much in the late semester of the fight. That fight is over and done with though.
Like his style or not, he tried to WIN his fights...and he did. Getting away from the fact that he was on the shit end of the stick in arguably the biggest robberies of both the 1980's and the 1990's, he beat a ton of good fighters. His performances over 3 HOF'ers need no explanation...but his W's over other contenders were great too. Momo Paez, Pineda, McGirt, Vazquez, Rivera, Haugen, Pendleton, Hurtado, etc.
Dude COULD punch when he wanted to as well...he wasn't a big hitter by any means, but it was more because of his fighting style than anything. Evidence being Nazario and Hurtado fights.
He was a 4 div champ...and he was THE GUY in pretty much all of those divisions (outside of 140). He was arguably the best defensive technitian of all-time and he fought the best.
If he and Hagler were naturally at the same weight (fantasy-wise) I'd take Whitaker to frustrate and closely decision Hagler.
You forget Ramirez, De La Hoya, Trinidad....
Both guys fought the best. Whitaker was arguably robbed against DLH, just like Hagler was arguably robbed against Leonard.
I thought DLH won the fight against Whitaker.
I remember watching it the first time....thinking Whitaker controlled the pace of the fight for the most part.
The second time I watched it.....I clearly scored it for Oscar. I thought he landed the more effective punches.
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Hagler's middleweight title defenses also should count for something....and he defended titles against guys who were outright beasts. He always came to fight....and he never tried to simply frustrate his opponent into quitting.
I know Pernell is your boy and all, but many people did not appreciate his fighting style. I personally don't like it...and I think it's a bit overbearing. When someone uses the entire ring....to simply run around and escape punches....while throwing a few nifty jab combos here and there, it sucks.
I respect his fighting style, and based simply on the guys he's beat alone, but it's not the same as actually fighting them like Hagler did.
He just tried to outpoint everyone.
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Because Hagler beat the better level of opposition.
Duran, Hearns and a whole slew of solid competition and contenders as compared to Nelson, Chavez, Ramirez and a whole slew of solid contenders and competition.
Their comp is about equal if you ask me. When you look at the extra credentials I believe Whitakers acc's outweight Marvins.
Yeah that's great.
Oh and OG: I'm not going to list all the opponents. You and I both know their records.
Whitaker's fights with Nelson, Mcgirt, Vasquez, Chavez, all that.
I don't think that matches up with Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Mugabi.....etc.
Oh and Hagler was fucking robbed against Leonard.
You forget Ramirez, De La Hoya, Trinidad....
Both guys fought the best. Whitaker was arguably robbed against DLH, just like Hagler was arguably robbed against Leonard.
I said in no particular order you tards. I was just shooting the obvious ones off the top off of my head (the first 3)
Yeah that's great.
Oh and OG: I'm not going to list all the opponents. You and I both know their records.
Whitaker's fights with Nelson, Mcgirt, Vasquez, Chavez, all that.
I don't think that matches up with Duran, Leonard, Hearns, Mugabi.....etc.
Oh and Hagler was fucking robbed against Leonard.
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Explain exactly why there is no way in hell. I tend to think that he should be rated quite a few slots ahead of Hagler p4p, and don't give me that "well Pernell is your favorite ever" because Hagler is my 3rd or 4th favorite ever.
Because Hagler beat the better level of opposition.
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So yeah.
There's no way in hell Pernell Whitaker was a better fighter than "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler.
Explain exactly why there is no way in hell. I tend to think that he should be rated quite a few slots ahead of Hagler p4p, and don't give me that "well Pernell is your favorite ever" because Hagler is my 3rd or 4th favorite ever.
Dmans list is not in order, he mentions that before he list his names
Right.
And there's no way anyone should rate Whitaker higher than Hagler.
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it's not as rare as some believe. i am a huge fight fan and a fight collector. i have footage of jack johnson, dempsey, tunney, carnera, leonard, ambers etc.
I remember seeing an hbo special on Jack Johnson and they mentioned how Jack Johnson was the first or one of the first to phaint a punch, how accurate is this? The fights you've seen does he us phainst in his fight?
So yeah.
There's no way in hell Pernell Whitaker was a better fighter than "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler.
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Mine in no particular Order:
1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Marvin Hagler
3. Hector Camacho
4. Winky Wright
5. Jose Luis Rameriez
6. Vicente Saldivar
7. Tiger Flowers
8. Freddie Miller
9. Flash Elorde
10. Lew Tendler
Honorable mentions: Michael Moorer, Joe Calzaghe, Khaosai Galaxy
Winky at number 4 can't see that being a good list.
no mentioned M. Moorer he was a great fighter. I think he was the 1st and only southpaw to win the HW title
I included Moorer in my honorable mentions.