Boxers of this era dont have heart

Guys who have shown a ton of heart who have gotten 0 mentions... Erik Morales and Miguel Cotto. Not only do these guys take a beating man-style, they both come to fight every time they put on a pair of gloves. Cotto refuses to even go down when he's hurt...anyone who saw how Morales handled his beating against Pacquiao knows that he has huevos the size of Mayheko.

gatti doesnt have heart? corrales doesnt have heart? floyd doesnt have heart? last time i checked, arturo gatti faced the two greatest/best fighters of our era oscar de la hoya and floyd mayweather. that alone should show that hes got heart. corrales keeps getting up from his many KDs and keeps fighting. he even fought a guy who weighed more than him. and he doesnt have heart? the author of this thread is a fucking retard.

Good post Zamora but I disagree with that last bit. That Corrales beat his wife has nothing to do with his fighting spirit. I mean Carlos Monzon was a monster outside of the ring but he had plenty of heart and discipline when fighting. On the flipside was a guy like Marciano who was a bloodthirsty savage in the ring and would resort to fouls if he felt he needed to, but was a complete gentleman outside of the ring. I'm not condoning wife beating, but it doesn't make him any less of a boxer.

first off - to whoever said that referees are being over-protective - shut the fuck up - if you were a ref and you didnt stop a fight and then that fighter died like leavander johnson for example - try having that on your conscience. fighters do have heart these days its just they dont get treated like shit like they did in the old days when they were told when and who they were fighting no matter what.boxers are more cautious these days because they are more aware of the permanent damage boxing can do to you. i agree with other people who said that you need heart to step into the ring first - just because you dont slug it for 12 rounds doesnt mean you dont have heart. the thread starter how can you say that PBF has heart when he has dominated every fight hes been in?corrales is a good fighter but hes a wifebeater so he dont have heart either. true. Even Mayweather fought most of the time with disadvantage with many like Corrales and Castillo. He is what he is boxing he uses his boxing ability to win rather than brute power

They ain't fighters they're boxers. They ain't suppose to be hit, the philosophy of boxing is to hit and not get hit. EXACTLY where everybody misses out even pro. I dont want to get brain damage for the sack of boxing fans look at Gman where he is now, did any boxing fan remebered him. The thing boxer going to do is to take one fights that they think they can win and gain money, other than that I wouldnt wanna hurt myself for nothing or get serouisly injured for life, because I have more in life than boxing.

I don't think it has anything to do with fighters hearts, It has more to do with their heads & their management. Most fighters these days dont want to fight the best they want to fight the best they can beat which is a smart move, and their promotors dont want them in fight with guys that'll beat their top fighters, or at least make them look bad. I'm sure if Hatton said he wanted PBF right now, he's manager wouldn't let it happen, why risk it, it's this cautious mentallity that's bringing boxing down, In other words the heart might be there, but the balls & support is lacking. :D

I also think Hatton, Taylor, Mayweather, and others have heart that they haven't had to show yet. Shoot, maybe they never will. it was tested a bit against castillo, even though you may not want to admit it, and goyo vargas also tested him, as did chavez, they landed some mean shots on him and to floyds credit at times he came back with something of his own

Id change the title of the thread to "Todays boxing fan has no heart, fair weather fans" Rockin' :boxing: True because anyone who steps in has more heart and nuts than most.......Champ or not.

Vargas still has heart, it's just his skills are eroding

I also think Hatton, Taylor, Mayweather, and others have heart that they haven't had to show yet. Shoot, maybe they never will. yea i just said that in my last post. lol But IMO, corrales and Gatti have the best hearts in the sport right now. Vargas maybe had better in his prime and stuff, but not anymore

Ouma has heart......... and stamina.

I also think Hatton, Taylor, Mayweather, and others have heart that they haven't had to show yet. Shoot, maybe they never will.

There is some kind of freak "over-protective" referee's era going on and i dont like it. Guys like Tony Weeks (castillo carrales 1) and richard steele(Jcc meldrick taylor) stop fights earlier then they should. But who ever was doing gatti-ward 1 sure knows what hes doing. he let the fight go on when gatti was out on his feet in that 9th round. He did the right thing on letting it go and gatti ended up making a pretty good effort in that 10th round to cap off the fight!! We need more refs like that!! (and if that ref was tony weeks or richard steele, im look like an idiot right about now...)

A lot of the guys today have heart: Corrales Gatti Vargas three examples that are easily among the top 10 biggest hearts of all time in this sport, all three are still competing today

i agree with the topic, but no the topic creators post. A lot of people who get KOed now, wouldnt have even been KDed in the 40's. People like Gatti, Ward, Augustus, and corrales, these guys are throwbacks to the fighters who used to go 15 rounds and not get KDed, when most nowadays would be KOed!! I mean, back then, u couldnt be a superstar unless u had heart. Nowadays, superstars like mayweather and Tayor havent proven that they have heart yet. Undoubtedly these guys probably have great heart, but back then if u hadnt proved it, u were shit. But nowadays, with so much talent and ability being thrown out there, it allows fighters to STILL be exciting with there styles and defences and still be considered superstars. To be honest, id rather have it the way it is now

I think they stop alot of fights the past 5 years or so early sometimes and thats all I got to say about this subject.......Anyone who steps in the ring has some kind of heart and guts..........whether they win,lose or get bitched completely. :D

what's the big deal with the bit about duran? i was stating how early in his career fighters took the fight to him and they would get storched in about 2 rounds. in his prime, fighter's were running scared from him and just hanging on - trying to survive. I thought you ment back then fighters actually threw down even with the best of the best instead of fighting easy opponets. i do agree with the bit about ouma, though. but, winky has stated that he wants money. do you know what happened with winky - ouma right around the time soliman/winky were negotiating? if thats the case then winky had no busniess fighting soliman. but i think it was after the mosley fight that winky ducked ouma. ouma was the mandatory for 1 year now and still winky hadn't faced him yet and still hasn't and probably never will.

Ferocity you need to shut up. The guy made a legitimate post about what needs to be done in boxing. De La Hoya is a media creation. De La Hoya is supposed to be an "elite" fighter and you boast he has fought everybody. But did he have the Warriors spirit to win. De la hoya lost to 1. Tito 2. Mosley (twice) 3.B hop fights he showed nothing in. Boxing doesn't need fighters like de la hoya they need fighters like paul williams, mayweather, jermain taylor, winky wright, and diego corrales people who know how to fight and are not always looking for advantages over opponents You got one post, and you use it to post this crap :( shame on you......study up on boxing or read more of the post at this site so you may gain some boxing knowledge.

re ferocity: with all due respect, winky has no place in fighting ouma. fighting a young, up and coming, tough southpaw who swarms will do nothing for his legacy. winky has stated that he is in it now for the money - the man has payed his dues. man what happend with you other post about fighters sing a differnt song back when duran fought? I diffently didn't expect this from you. Ouma at the time when winky was champion was winkys number #1 mandatory, instead winky gives up the title. and now once again ouma is top ranked in his division and that fight winky owes him can be made. Ouma is no push over for anybody, he may have lost as winky has, but ouma as winky has gotten better. so its only right for winky to give ouma his shot that he earned years ago. too many fighters like mayweather and winky and hopkin confuse what a start to a great legacy is all about. Its about fighting the best, not how much money a fighter can get you. Kassim Ouma is still a very worthy opponet and will be champion. and i wanted to add, the fact that ouma is no longer an up and comer, he is a solid top figheter/contender, he was an up and comer when he was the mandatory #1 contender but has since prove his worth by once again being in line to challnge for the world title.

THE REASON A LOT OF THESE FIGHTERS DONT FIGHT EACH OTHER IS BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE HEART TO FIGHT THE BEST FIGHTER THERE ARE KNOW GOOD FIGHTERS OUT THERE OTHER THAN WINK,PAC,MAYWEATHER,TONEY,PAUL WILLIAMS ITS VERY FEW THE FIGHTERS I MENTIONED COULD FIGHT IN ANY ERA OSCAR HAS HEART BUT HE HAS NOT WON THE BATTLES HIS BEST FIGHT WAS AGAINST IKE QUARTAY BERNARD HAS NOT BEEN BATTLE TESTED I WISH THEY COULD COME UP WITH A BEETER WAY TO MAKE THE BEST FIGHT THE BEST I KNOW ITS ABOUT THE MONEY BUT STOP SAYING YOUR GOOD WHEN YOU DONT DESERVE TO BE IN THE TOP 10 THE ONLY FIGHTER I UNDERSTAND FIGHTING CERTAIN FIGHTERS IS MAYWEATHER HE CAN MAKE A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE AFTER OSCAR HE IS THE BIG DRAW BY THE WAY HE IS ONLY THE BIG DRAW BECAUSE LATINOS ARE GREAT BOXING FANS THE BLACK BOXERS HAVE TO STEP UP TO BRING THE FANS BACK. MY 5 1.WINK 2.MAYWEATHER 3. PAC 4.BHOP 5.CORRALES LOOK OUT FOR PAUL WILLIAMS :boxing: You already fucked up with mentioning winky as a fighter who will fight anybody. Winky ducked Kassim Ouma, and its a fact. And from the fighters you mentioned you have a hidden agenda to give credit where credit is not due. You complain about fighters not fighting anybody and everybody then you go on to discredit dealhoya who fought everybody! You, keep losing credablity with every sentence in your paragraph. You lost total credibility, you blame the whole boxing scene for fighers not fighting the best possable opponets for them but then you go on to defend floyd mayweather for his weak oppisition in the last few years, you are a mayweather fan, you should have never made this thread or accused any fighter of not fighting the top fighters when you are going to defend mayweather. Your post sucks and is weak as hell. You clearly aint a hardcore boxing fan. Your top five is weak as hell. You want to name warriors Erik Morales and Jorge Arce, then you can go on from their. And i'd put Manny Pacquiao before i ever put Winky Wright who ducked Kassim Ouma. You say you follow boxing, yet you ignore the fact that winky ducked ouma, are you sure you follow boxing, you said your black, then how can you not follow ouma who is black and was ducked by winky.