I just watched Castillo vs Mayweather for the 4th time. Mayweather's first defeat...

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was written by Floyd Mayweather himself. He clearly favors his boy Mayweather and very surprising to hear him say he gave that 12 round clearly to Castillo. Reading this article you can tell this guy is a huge Floyd Mayweather fan. He's ranting and raving about how the commentaters -who have seen hundreds if not thousands of fights- don't know how to judge a fight, but he does.... :rolleyes: Here check this article that Parodius posted awhile ago. I think this sports writer explain why some people think that Castillo won the first fight. Read this! Mayweather Beats Castillo. Merchant, Lederman and Lampley... 22 April, 2002 - By Cliff Clark Floyd Mayweather Jr. won a clear victory over Jose Luis Castillo Saturday night, but somehow TV commentators Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant and Harold Lederman didn't see it that way. Of course none of these three men has ever boxed, or knows very much about boxing, but that doesn't stop them from being the three most pompous asses ever to ruin a boxing telecast. Not only did they report a different fight than the one that was taking place; they made snide remarks about Mayweather being a "house fighter", being a "gifted" fighter, and otherwise implied blatant favoritism by the three judges. All of the judges correctly saw Mayweather winning by a very solid margin. Their cards were very similar. The job of commentators should not be to score the fight, but to comment on it. Jim Lampley especially seemed unsure of just how some rounds should be scored. "Tough round to score" Lampley opined after the 11th round, a round that saw Mayweather rock Castillo back with sharp left hooks, and a variety of counter shots. They all seemed to see the fight differently. Lederman had Castillo winning by a solid margin after the 11th while Merchant had Jose winning by a single point. The only thing they agreed on was that Floyd Mayweather was beaten. "I don't think there is any controversy" Merchant exclaimed. "I think most people believe Castillo won." This asinine comment tells you why three boxing judges often have a fight scored so astoundingly different. They are simply as many incompetent judges as there are inept commentators. The person who did the compubox punch stats for the Mayweather-Castillo fight must have been named Castillo. Mayweather out boxed Castillo by a mile in the first round. Floyd clearly out boxed Jose in each of the first five rounds, landing numerous jabs and hooks, and drawing blood from Castillo's nose. By the end of the fight Castillo's cheeks and left eye were puffy, while Mayweather's only mark came from a head butt. Although Castillo did connect with some good solid punches, he landed far less often than Mayweather. Floyd finished the fight without any swelling or marks on his cheeks or eyes. Castillo is a very tough and sturdy lightweight who had a nine-pound weight advantage coming into the ring. Jose also showed a granite chin, but that doesn't land any punches for you. Many of the punches compubox credited Castillo with didn't land effectively. Castillo's punches were largely missing, or landing on Mayweather's gloves, elbows, or shoulders, straying below the belt, or landing after the bell. The name of the game is boxing, and the rounds should go to the boxer who lands the cleaner, harder, punches, and of course they need to be legal punches. The sixth round was fairly close but I gave it to Mayweather. I guess if you were looking to give Castillo a round after he lost the first five, you might have given him that round. Castillo won the seventh, eighth and ninth rounds on my card as he tried to swarm over Mayweather with tremendous aggression. Mayweather seemed to be coasting in these rounds, trying to get Castillo to punch himself out a little. After fouling Mayweather about 50 times, and after repeated warnings to Castillo about punching on the break, punching low and punching after the bell, the referee finally took a point from Jose for contemptuously hitting on the break. At that point Larry Merchant bitterly complained that the referee was being too "officious." However, that point deduction became a wash when the referee took a point from Mayweather for pushing off with his left forearm, which is something you tend to do when someone continuously runs into you with their head and shoulders. In fact at one point Castillo grabbed Mayweather, got him turned around, and then hit Mayweather a couple of times in the back with the referee just standing there. Even the commentators, except for Merchant, thought that was a very strange thing for the referee to allow. Mayweather came back strong to win the 10th and 11th rounds going away. By the finale three rounds he had Castillo broken down a little, and he stood in there and punched with Castillo. Floyd ripped off sharp combinations and many good counter punches in those rounds. There is no way a competent judge would score rounds 10 and 11 for Castillo. The twelfth round was much closer and I gave it to Castillo. My score card read 115-111 for Mayweather, the same as two of the judges. The third judge had the fight 116-111 for Mayweather. They saw the same fight I did, and a different one than the commentators saw. I used to like 15 round title fights, because they separated the fighter's abilities in a way that was easier for mediocre judges and commentators to pick up on. I remember the way Harold Lederman scored some rounds in the Hopkins-Trinidad fight, and a few other fights. He's just not very good at it. When one fighter is obviously outclassed and getting hurt, that seems to be the only time Lederman consistently gets it right. I even think that the other Lederman, I think her name is Julie-I don't know if she is his daughter or what-is better than he is. At least she scored the last Holyfield-Ruiz fight better than Harold did.

Mayweather was their fighters, but the crew was able to see that Castillo had won the fight.

The Chavez fight wasn't even close. Mayweather was ripping Chavez apart with uppercuts when Chavez was inside against the ropes. Chavez was just throwing punches without landing most of them and getting countered all night. Harold Lederman was scoring ineffective aggression that night. This aint' the amatures. Chavez was hitting Mayweather all over the place. Yes, Chavez was getting hit with upper-cuts but Chavez never stopped punching, he was in Mayweathers face all night long. And I too had him up on the cards before the stoppage. But the fight was stopped, and had Chavez had Castillo power, Mayweather would have seen the ground that night.

wow...this fight was not even close. Mayweather lost by a good 4 rounds. It is shameful that things like this can happen in this sport. Welcome to the club. Mayweather should not have won that fight. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

no offense, but you suck at scoring fights. Oh WOW is that irony.

wow...this fight was not even close. Mayweather lost by a good 4 rounds. It is shameful that things like this can happen in this sport. Yea, and what's up with Boxrec's rankings? :rolleyes:

Harold Lederman was scoring ineffective aggression that night. as he often does

Castillo won the first fight and yes, Mayweather won the second. For another close fight Mayweather had look at his fight with Jesus Chavez, though Chavez corner threw in the towel, harlod letterman had Chavez winning if I remember correctly. The Chavez fight wasn't even close. Mayweather was ripping Chavez apart with uppercuts when Chavez was inside against the ropes. Chavez was just throwing punches without landing most of them and getting countered all night. Harold Lederman was scoring ineffective aggression that night.

8-4 my b-++-++s

Castillo won the first fight and yes, Mayweather won the second. For another close fight Mayweather had look at his fight with Jesus Chavez, though Chavez corner threw in the towel, harlod letterman had Chavez winning if I remember correctly.

This was definately a very close fight. By rounds i had it scored as a 5-5-2 draw. But, In Round 8 the ref took away a point from Castillo for hitting after the break, making that round a 10-8 round. So i scored it 114-113. Most rounds were close enough however that either fighter could have been awarded the round. But if you ask me, yes mayweather won the first fight, and then proceded to prove he was the better fighter in the second fight.

If he lost the first time that's fine, but he dominated on the rematch. There was no question on who won that. Is sort of like the Jones vs. Tarver 1. Jones really lost but won, but in the rematch he got his ass whipped.

Yes it does. Hatton will take a beating in the begining rounds. that could be a problem because hatton seems to cut pretty easy and i would hate for this fight to get stopped for cuts.

Yes it does. Hatton will take a beating in the begining rounds I think but all that rough fighting will wear on and frustrate Floyd. I believe one of the big keys to Hatton vs. Mayweather is how the referee in the ring chooses to ref the fight. If he is constantly breaking them up then Ricky in in trouble because as long as there is space between the two fighters you are looking at a huge mismatch. If the refs allows them to fight it out and make there own space and junk yard dog it then I think Floyd is in trouble. If your Team Hatton you are not gonna let Jay Nady do this fight and if your Team Mayweather Jay Nady is the only man for the job!

Yes it does. Hatton will take a beating in the begining rounds I think but all that rough fighting will wear on and frustrate Floyd.

You know I have not watched this fight probably since it happened but I do remember getting the distinct feeling Castillo won when I did watch it live.I did not score it then and could not say now I just remember I had the feeling Castillo had won and so did most why do you think there was a rematch....... :)

Don't get me wrong...I think Mayweather is pound for pound the best right now but he lost this fight plain and simple. Mayweather gets frustrated if you don't allow him to look pretty. If you rough him up, push him around, and bully him like Castillo did then you can beat him. Bodes well for Ricky Hatton, then.

Don't get me wrong...I think Mayweather is pound for pound the best right now but he lost this fight plain and simple. Mayweather gets frustrated if you don't allow him to look pretty. If you rough him up, push him around, and bully him like Castillo did then you can beat him.

All the announcers had Mayweather losing by about 4 rounds too.

Mayweather DID lose this fight, there's no doubt about it. He won the rematch, but he shouldnt be able to call himself undefeated. I wonder if the judges had called this one correctly whether Floyd would still have all the nut huggers he's got now.