Calzaghe definitely faked the injury to get out of their fight, so can we go ahead and say Lacy is the man to beat? Lacy has fought the better opposition as of late while Calzaghe continues to do nothing. Lacy is the champ. If Calzaghe wants to bring his meaningless WBO title to the table, he can challenge Lacy if he wants to, but if it doesn't take place in the states, no way Lacy should accept him as a challenger.
basically what this guy said. probably the most realistic post in the thread pre-fight.
i forgot i even said that. i remember my mentality at this time 5 years ago, i think i was just frustrated that nobody was fighting each other. However me being me, i witheld my judgement.
I think most of the posters here turned on the TV, saw a muscular guy knocking people out with ease, and assumed he'd do the same to a guy they hadn't seen much of.
The same thing happened with Miranda a year or two later.
People just get over-excited when they see someone look sensational against a journeyman. After Williams-Kolle and Pavlik-Lockett NSB went crazy as well.
Most people on here seem to dislike (or at least be indifferent to) Andre Berto. There's a lot of (somewhat justified) criticism of his standard of opposition. However I'd be willing to bet that if Berto had knocked out his last 3-4 opponents rather than outboxing them, loads of people in here would be crazy about him and pick him to destroy Shane, they wouldn't care that he hasn't fought great opposition yet.
Thats honestly what i and the other posters who are in this thread got caught up in. Calzhage was a nobody here, id only seen him on the torrents i downloaded and i wasnt that impressed. When he rematched mario veit for no reason at all it gave me the impression that he was scared, and seeing his feminine style of punching made it that much worse. Lacy was limited, but i saw very little in calzhage that made me believe that he would stand up to it. The Robin Ried fight got me caught up in the triangle theory madness.
Ill wholly admit i was wrong. But thankfully i wasnt the only one.
yeah... It doesn't matter. Nobody looks like a dumbass. Everyone said before the fight that lacy will get schooled. Let's all brush it under the carpet and go home.
lol.......:)
it doesn't matter what ppl thought about Lacy before he fought Calzaghe, because the truth is, Lacy never beat any real fighter before Calzaghe, and he never beat anyone since. In fact, he got a couple gift decisions against bum fighters after Calzaghe.
and that is the truth, opinions aside.
Yeah... it doesn't matter. Nobody looks like a dumbass. Everyone said before the fight that Lacy will get schooled. Let's all brush it under the carpet and go home.
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At least Lacy was KOing the journeymen he fought. Calzaghe was fighting no-hopers and getting hurt himself more than he was hurting anyone else.
That's a poor argument. Lacy's name should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Calzaghe. Truth be told.
I think you've misunderstood me. I wasn't drawing a comparison between Calzaghe-Lacy and Mosley-Berto, just giving an example of how a guy who KO's journeymen will get overrated.
Having said that, you acted like a cunt about the whole thing and you were very, very wrong. It's laughable how badly you overrated Lacy, and it wasn't 'just a hunch', it was you constantly building him up for months. Trying to re-write it and make it a racial issue or claim that everyone else was just as ignorant as you is pure revisionism.
At least Lacy was KOing the journeymen he fought. Calzaghe was fighting no-hopers and getting hurt himself more than he was hurting anyone else.
it doesn't matter what ppl thought about Lacy before he fought Calzaghe, because the truth is, Lacy never beat any real fighter before Calzaghe, and he never beat anyone since. In fact, he got a couple gift decisions against bum fighters after Calzaghe.
and that is the truth, opinions aside.
I think most of the posters here turned on the TV, saw a muscular guy knocking people out with ease, and assumed he'd do the same to a guy they hadn't seen much of.
The same thing happened with Miranda a year or two later.
People just get over-excited when they see someone look sensational against a journeyman. After Williams-Kolle and Pavlik-Lockett NSB went crazy as well.
Most people on here seem to dislike (or at least be indifferent to) Andre Berto. There's a lot of (somewhat justified) criticism of his standard of opposition. However I'd be willing to bet that if Berto had knocked out his last 3-4 opponents rather than outboxing them, loads of people in here would be crazy about him and pick him to destroy Shane, they wouldn't care that he hasn't fought great opposition yet.
Not the same at all. Mosley-Berto is a fight that features one guy who is a proven great and another guy who hasn't fought very good competition at all. This is one of those instances where you should get praised if you pick Berto and turn out to be right because we know Mosley is great. We've seen enough of Berto to know he has a chance with his speed but that Mosley is going to be favored because we know more about him and have seen him topple what we assume are better fighters than Berto.
Going into Lacy-Calzaghe, we had one fairly meaningful fight between the two's entire careers. That was Calzaghe beating Eubank. Not enough to assess either guy with any confidence at all, hence the odds favoring the knockout artist.
If you're going to rib somebody, rib a Cotto fan for thinking he could beat Pacquiao. That, to me, is a stupid pick. Or rib a Marquez fan who picked him to beat Mayweather. Beyond idiotic.
But it's cool. We have a few very die-hard Calzaghe/all white fighters fans with 5 alts each and a lot of time to log on, so it's nothing to pay attention to. I've said my peace on it, and I'm still going to side with a hungry knockout artist over a protected European champion 9 times out of 10 in future toss-up fights.
So I should be praised for picking Ward to beat Kessler I guess?
Truth is, I didn't know who would win that fight. Kessler was the favorite. I picked Ward on a hunch just like those who picked Joe to beat Lacy.
So I guess I'm a genius now? Doesn't work that way.
Hes beating the shit out of people and looking good doing it, when you get massive exposure like that, and your fighting in the center of the boxing universe, you tend to get looked at as "the man". Until your boy gets off his ass, and has a meaningful fight, stops getting hurt, stops insulting ricky hatton, etc. Then hes not the man, nobody is the man at 168 in my opinion until the top beltholders ****in square off in my opinion
basically what this guy said. probably the most realistic post in the thread pre-fight.
It is pretty funny the incorrect predictions and overhype of Lacy but it doesn't mean that ppl don't know what they are talking about.......take Cotto/Pac, who honestly could have known Pac would take those punches so well walk through them and would be bullying the bigger Cotto around the ring? Just because you make a correct pick doesn't mean you knew what you were talking about, you just guessed and got it right.
Exactly. I stand by my statement that this fight had Lacy as the favorite going in for a reason. Nobody knew how good either really were. If you picked Lacy, you were just guessing. If you picked Calzaghe, you were just guessing. Neither was proven at that point. The only difference was Lacy was knocking everyone out and Calzaghe was repeatedly getting injured and backing out of big fights. People, including myself, were fed up with Calzaghe.
He turned out a great performance, but I'm not embarrassed at all for picking Lacy to win. I saw no reason to pick Calzaghe then.
DiegoFuego (aka bsrizpac)
That's the same dude? Serious?
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Thread is still hilarious. :lol1:
This goes to show that a lot of guys on these forums don't really know what they are talking about, but the worst thing is, they are arrogant with it, insisting that others are dumb when they challenge their stupid arguments. LOL.
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