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Sugar Ray Robinson was an insanely tough fighter. The guy fights LaMotta weighing in somewhere between Welter and Jr Welter. LaMotta was a full-on middle in that fight. SRR loses, goes out and fights another guy two weeks later, winning a decision. He then steps back in with LaMotta, with the same weight disadvantage, a week after that, and wins a decision. That loss was his ONLY loss in the first eleven years of his career. He went 120-1 or something like that, until 1951. Marvin Hagler is also a great fighter, but I still have to give the edge to SRR, but I think it would be a decision type fight.

i'm bound to agree, but robinson really was the best fighter who ever lived, what makes that second fight with randy turpin all the more special was that ray had a bad cut over his eye and was in danger of being stopped because of it, but the ref gave him the 10th and he finished it. speed, balance,power,chin. no-one comes close.

yes he would have I have to disagree on Hagler KO and he's my all time favorite boxer. Marvin would lose a close descision 1st but might figure out Robinson in a rematch and dominate from there because he is better at 160's. Hagler was an exchange Fighter. He would exchange shots and counter puncher with the opponents. Hagler is not a pressure fighter or Ko artist like everyone think he is from the Hearns fights. He is a boxer with a counter style. He's not a pure pressure fighter even though he always moves forward. He moves at you with pressure but up to a distance where he feel comfortable at a correct distance and correct range to counter. Once Hagler found that correct distance he would always kinda stay at that distance. Textbook footwork and Hagler would stick to his gameplans. The textbook footwork was also a weakness because Hagler wouldn't move out of that range that much. Once he found the rythm and distance he kinda stayed at that pace. No fancy footwork or explosive moves. A very displine fighter and classic old schooled fighter in Hagler Robinson does like to fight inside and pressure fighters but also in the outside range. The problem Robinson would give Hagler like he did to other fighters is he moves in and out of range a lot and fires from different angle with very fast combos. Fighters are kind of always kinda reacting to Robinson and what he does in the ring In a 12 round fight Hagler would not have enough time to figure out what to do because he sticks to his gameplan. In a rematch I think Hagler would have a better game plan for Robinson and figure out Robinsons style like he did with man fighters he lost to. Robinson would never KO Hagler or even knock him down. I heard a lot of stories when guys sparring with Marvin and would throw their meanest shots and just hurt Marvin but not put him down. Plus he would recover in just a single rest period and be clear as the sky. Guys in the gym would love to go after Hagler just to have the chance to say I had Hagler on one knee. Never happened.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have TKO'd the p4p #1 of all time. yes he would have

Marvelous Marvin Hagler would have TKO'd the p4p #1 of all time.

Rocky Castellani I'm guessing, from a quick check at boxrec.com. Also I hope these LaMotta vs. PBF matchups are in a P4P sense because LaMotta was a bulky middleweight who struggled to meet the limit and fought the occasional heavyweight while Mayweather is a junior welterweight. LaMotta would assrape little Mayweather in anything but a fantasy P4P match.

slip, which fight you talkin about? cuz srr knocked graziano out in 3. i know they showed the basilio fights the other day, but his first name was carmen... wasnt graz, or carmen, or basilio was named Rocky (Something), Rocky Castillani maybe? something that started with a C, was a cut up white dude that appeared to be a boxer puncher, he seriously landed some hard bombs on robinson, im assuming that robinson was out of his prime when he fought this guy, although he looked young..

man, i was watching this fight before the Turpin bout, was Robinson vs some guy named Rocky something, sounded italian, white guy was fucking him up, knocked down robinson and shit..robinson held his ground though unfortunately i had to get up and do some other shit and didnt finish that fight ,watched it til bout the 7th rd slip, which fight you talkin about? cuz srr knocked graziano out in 3. i know they showed the basilio fights the other day, but his first name was carmen...

man, i was watching this fight before the Turpin bout, was Robinson vs some guy named Rocky something, sounded italian, white guy was fucking him up, knocked down robinson and shit..robinson held his ground though unfortunately i had to get up and do some other shit and didnt finish that fight ,watched it til bout the 7th rd

I thought u gys would try to kill me for my post against SRR,I really liked the tactful disagrence, thats what makes this site so great. Someone spoke of his fight with Lamotta, Lamotta was more like Gatti, you see how PBF raped Gatti, the fighters i mentioned would have been smart enough to out box SRR except Hearns, who maybe could have KO'd him. well, i like gatti, but he's no lamotta. not even close. lamotta woulda have given pbf much more trouble than gatti. gatti's style is kinda in no man's land right now; he's not a speedy boxer like floyd,judah,ssm, and he's not an in your chest pounder like lamotta or hatton. so, his style is sorta in the middle, a style that guys like floyd pick apart. lamotta would be in floyd's chest, not only that, the man had a face of granite, so, lamotta would give floyd a hard time just like he did srr (tho he's prolly lose to pbf a bunch of times like he did to srr). but, back to srr, thing is, he has all the skills of the fighters you mention. his speed is just as good or better than roy in his prime, he's willing to brawl just like hagler and he could punch like hearns. it's hard to give him his due cuz the film on him is so shitty, and even when it's not, the angles are horrible. for example, i'm in baltimore now, at like 6pm tonight espn classic showed srr vs turin and the fight was perfectly clear but the camera was so far away and the angles sucked, so you can't appreciate what he did. it was hard to gauge his speed and see him counter, but really, he was awesome. back in the day he was doing all the cool shit slicksters like pbf and mosely do. i don't think it would be possible to outbox srr. so, if hagler can get him to stand and trade, he'd be closest to beating srr. but let's not forget, he was beating maxim before heat exhastion got him. so, his power and chin are sick (he's never been knocked out) and 16 of his 19 losses came after he was 34 and of those 12 after he was 40! unless i am mistaken, the maxim fight was the only loss where he didn't go the distance. i think he beat like 20 world champs and 12 hall of famers... to me, it doesn't get better than srr. he's timeless.

I thought u gys would try to kill me for my post against SRR,I really liked the tactful disagrence, thats what makes this site so great. Someone spoke of his fight with Lamotta, Lamotta was more like Gatti, you see how PBF raped Gatti, the fighters i mentioned would have been smart enough to out box SRR except Hearns, who maybe could have KO'd him. LaMotta and Gatti are on two completely different planes of existence. Bad comparison... Ray Robinson had one of the greatest chins that the sport has ever seen...theres not one guy you mentioned that would have KOed him. If there the slight chance for a KO, sure, because anything could happen in any fantasy fight, but Rays chin was otherworldly. Hearns was a good fighter at 160 and up, but he was nowhere near what he was at 147 and 154. Robinson would have made short work of Hearns at 160.

why cant i download, i have 100 posts, i dont get it

I thought u gys would try to kill me for my post against SRR,I really liked the tactful disagrence, thats what makes this site so great. Someone spoke of his fight with Lamotta, Lamotta was more like Gatti, you see how PBF raped Gatti, the fighters i mentioned would have been smart enough to out box SRR except Hearns, who maybe could have KO'd him.

No problem, I already have this one in my collection: Hmm is says that its too big and the max size is like 20000 bytes or something. How did you get the Augustus one to work?

Hey do you think you could make me a Hopkins gif of when he KOed Trinidad with that hard right hook? No problem, I already have this one in my collection:

well im gonna have to agree with soem poitns there, i think roy, hagler, monzon, woulda beat him though, but after that i guess SRR would whoop up on some, hearns and leonard would stand soem sort of chance also

well i kidna have to agree that SRR wouldnt beat some 80s MIDDLEWEIGHTS, but he woulda owned any welterweight ever at any time, blindfolded to gonna have to disagree with you there. i don't think there's anyone in history under 160 who coulda beat that man in his prime 2 outta 3 times. closest woulda been hagler and roy. srl showed that a guy who moves alot can outpoint hagler, but where srl stopped and pittypatted, srr would inflicted some serious damage (woulda taken some as well). roy skills wise at 160 or 168 woulda been a great matchup but he woulda been in trouble tryin to brawl with srr. i just can't see anyone under 160 routinely beating that man.

Great gif bozo. BTW it was that parodius guy in that greatest counterpunchers thread who supposedly couldn't tell when clean punches landed because of crappy film quality. Hey do you think you could make me a Hopkins gif of when he KOed Trinidad with that hard right hook? Points will be sent your way for it.

well i kidna have to agree that SRR wouldnt beat some 80s MIDDLEWEIGHTS, but he woulda owned any welterweight ever at any time, blindfolded to

great1 i normally respect your opinion but srr would seriously frustrate duran, toney, hearns, or even jones, because jones doesnt want to brawl with someone who can brawl. SRR Would rape jones on the inside, and lets not talk about jones chin. I'd give those other guys a chance at him, but it still isn't a sure thing. The reason he's so underrated today is because video of him sucks, you gotta get a plasma tv to really see how good he was..like me, i didnt understand why he was so great until i watched a couple lamotta fights on a plasma tv everyone give +k to bozo...the karma gods fucked him up the ass for dissing klitschko, bozos a nice guy he helped me out with this gif program, hit him up..do it cuz he posted this thread outta respek for srr ...gotta respect fellow fans , boxing community is already thin u cant go nit picking and bitching about who likes what fighter, that shit is fucking weak. and wlad has a pussy chin anyway, wtf do u guys worship this guy for, (OMFG {PUNCHES PILLOW} WLAD WILL BE THE GREATEST!!!! OMFG HE GOT KOD BY SANDERS BUT HE WILL STILL BECOME CHAMP!!!!!11111) seriously just drop it, and vitali looks carved up like sunday dinner when he fights a world class heavyweight, but ok. hes not even the same ethnicity as you other white dudes, just root for hatton because he probably is.