Did Tszyu really defeat Judah or do you think the knockout was called too eairly? One thing that definatly cannot be argued is that Zab got his world rocked. However, I recall while watching the film that the commentaors said something about "if a fighter falls back down after standing up the ref stops the fight."
Is that a real rule or just something a ref normally does? I seem to remeber Berbeck getting up like 3x in the fight against Tyson and the ref counted him out. Anyway. Opinions anyone?
yeah zab should really have thought that out when he saw kostyas thunder fist shooting towards his head... That right was a fatality, animality, babyality. it was unstoppable
In the interviews after the fight Nady said that he didn't have to stop the fight because of the second time Judah dropped, but he did anyway because "I feared for the long term effects of the second concussion" ( or something very similar to that.
I think that that Juda should have taken an eight count after getting knocked down by Tszyu instead of trying to get up quick so the people could think that he was not hurt.I also heard the anouncer say that if a boxer is knocked down then gets back up and falls back down the ref must stop the fight.I think that there will be a remach in the future and im sure that Zab will be talking alot of smack, but thats a good thing because it helps sell tickets.
This fight is the reason I can't stand Judah. He got caught real good, obviously. But in the post interviews he keeps saying how the ref never gave him a count, when you watch the replay you can see Nady's hand switching digits...4....5.... then when he turned around Zab was doing the duck walk, so he waved it off.
Even before the second Spinks fight, Zab said in the pre fight interview: "well, both of my losses were controversial, so i look at myself as undefeated" You're not undefeated, and honestly I wouldnt even call the zoo fight controversial...just admit defeat, and move on.
If you watch again, you will see that Nady had to grab him to keep him from going down a third time of the punch. No way was this even close to being an early stoppage.
i have no problem with the stopage nady did the right thing it was obvious judah was not there he got up and fell backdown from one punch he was out on his feet . alot of people that defend judah base it on the fact that after the fight was stoped judah seemed to be ok , so the fight was stoped to early . but the referee has a split second to make his decison . in the end judah should of took an 8 count then got up so its really his own fault . as far as if there was a re-match i pick tzyu by k.o just because judah is coky as hell and he would try to prove something by going for a k.o tzyu has to much power and judah does the chicken dance again
A lot of people have made some good points, but I'm just wondering how many of you that say Tszyu was too powerful for Zab are also saying that Tarver hit RJJ with a "lucky" punch. I know that this one wasn't exactly a one-punch knockout but it was pretty damn close. People say Tarver got lucky but Tsyzu's knockdown was pure skill. I'm not disputing Tszyu's abilities but I'm just calling out the hypocrites.*ahem* I've been in therapy and ... THIS IS HARD, MAN!
*chokes back sob* I ADMIT THAT ROY WAS KTFO BY TARVER!
*breaks the fuck down*
A lot of people have made some good points, but I'm just wondering how many of you that say Tszyu was too powerful for Zab are also saying that Tarver hit RJJ with a "lucky" punch. I know that this one wasn't exactly a one-punch knockout but it was pretty damn close. People say Tarver got lucky but Tsyzu's knockdown was pure skill. I'm not disputing Tszyu's abilities but I'm just calling out the hypocrites.
Did Tszyu really defeat Judah or do you think the knockout was called too eairly? One thing that definatly cannot be argued is that Zab got his world rocked. However, I recall while watching the film that the commentaors said something about "if a fighter falls back down after standing up the ref stops the fight."
Is that a real rule or just something a ref normally does? I seem to remeber Berbeck getting up like 3x in the fight against Tyson and the ref counted him out. Anyway. Opinions anyone?
He was knocked out. He didn't even realize all the shit he did to Jay Nady til later. Just think if they'd allowed Tszyu at him immedidately after the knockdown instead of watching him breakdance across the ring then waving it off.
LOL, that shit was funny as hell!
A rematch would be interesting at 147.......However, the outcome would be either a late stoppage or UD for Tszyu.
As short as the first fight was, it was enough to see how flashy Judah is/was UNTIL he tasted some of KT's steel.......this was decisive and Judah's lightning fast start came to a sudden abrupt end.
Credit to Judah for getting his career back on tracks, but, I can't see him rematching Tszyu.
Nady had to stop the fight after Judah bounced up and then hit the deck again, those are the rules, so I am cool with the outcome. I think Zab won the first round, and after a decent start to the second Tzsyu finished strong and took it. As for what any of this means? Nothing. Here is all we know based on that first fight- Kostya has the power to drop Judah, Judah can outbox him at least in spots, Nady is a douche bag- he was correct, but a douche bag none the less. I don't really view the first fight as having too much in the way of implications as far as a second fight is concerned. I am guessing if they fought again, the odds going into fight night would be pretty close to even. If the fight was happening at 147 I would take Zab hands down, if it was happening at 140 it would be a much tougher decision for me. So there you go, my take on Super and Kostya.
i dont think judah was winning at the time. if you look at the whole fight, tszyu was VERY cautious, he did nothing but paw his left hand in the air while waiting for a good chance to throw the right. if you notice, he throws his right hand maybe a total of 6-7 times and when he does, he commits to it and really tries to connect as opposed to just letting pass by and letting it be a wasted shot.
judah was definitely not ready. shaky legs means his body won't be able to run away or fight back efffectively. your punches wont be hard if you dont have your legs solidly planted behind them. judah didn't feel hurt because he had his adrenaline still running from when he nailed tszyu really well in the first round. i think in the 2nd round both were looking to establish respect, with tszyu trying to get judah back, and judah was pumped up looking for an early knockout and that made him more stiff and took the punch harder.
What's your take on the Judah/Tszyu fight?
1-KT has a great chance of ko'ing DLH...i think it would be a good fight but dlh would get caught in the end,Kt would study him completely and finish him.
2-Its zab own fault...should have gone to a knee....but i still think he would have been f-ed up has anyone gone to the gallery section..i mean really check him out after he gets up,he's all f-ed up.
3-in the gallery (video) section there is another video of Judah getting KD and if you look at his feet when he gets up he's kinda messed up also..i dont think judah has ever/will ever have a strong chin..i mena didnt Cory drop him hahaha.
So are you going to say that tszyu hits harder than trinidad, vargas and hopkins, Tszyu is the man, but he will get beat soundly by de la hoya
1-KT has a great chance of ko'ing DLH...i think it would be a good fight but dlh would get caught in the end,Kt would study him completely and finish him.
2-Its zab own fault...should have gone to a knee....but i still think he would have been f-ed up has anyone gone to the gallery section..i mean really check him out after he gets up,he's all f-ed up.
3-in the gallery (video) section there is another video of Judah getting KD and if you look at his feet when he gets up he's kinda messed up also..i dont think judah has ever/will ever have a strong chin..i mena didnt Cory drop him hahaha.