Puerto Rico vs. Mexico

When ever this subject comes up, those favoring Mexico will bring up Sanchez, Chavez, Cuevas and maybe one or two others, but that's it. They have no one else. In Mexican vs Puerto Rican fights, the Puerto Rican usually wins. Don't take my word, check the records. Also, when the Mexican loses, they say it was an offnight, but when the Puerto Rican loses, it's an excuse. Tito fouled Vargas and that is why Vargas lost, right? Gomez hit Zarate on the floor and that is why he lost, right? Did the best Sanchez face the best Gomez? There was a tv report done on that fight, previous to the fight, in which Gomez was shown to be going through the motions, and when the reporter asked him why he was taking it so easy, and pointing out that Sanchez was training hard for Wilfredo Gomez, but Gomez appeared not to be training for Sanchez, he responded that Sanchez had never fought anyone of note, and that Little Red Lopez was a sitting duck before the fight started. Mr Wilfredo Gomez would be a different fight altogether. Was he cocky? Of course he was, anyone scoring 32 kos in a row would be cocky. Was he right to overlook Sal? No, no opponent should be overlooked. Was this fight, as one sided as many make it out to be? No, they need to sit down and watch it again. In that first round, and early into the second, Gomez took a beating and a half, but after that the fight became very competitive (check the scorecards), with Gomez the aggressor throughout. He lost badly, but one has to wonder how he would have done, had he trained properly, and as dedicated as Sanchez had. In a rematch it would have been the best Sanchez vs the best Gomez. The Chavez-Camacho is another fight that could have it's questions. We all know the type of fighter Camacho was before he faced Rosario, was not the same one that faced Chavez. Before Rosario he was an in your face aggressive type, but after that fight he became a safety first, runner type. The very thing that should have built up his confidence (being staggerred and almost taken out, twice, rds 9 & 11) and surviving, without being dropped, robbed him of all confidence. He was never the same fighter again. Mexicans like to say that Puerto Ricans talk too much, but they forget how their people and media use words freely, that in their culture are meaningless, but in the Puerto Ricans insulting. I know, I use to buy their "Ring Mundial" and other boxing books and newspapers, and I use to be shocked at how easily they used these terms against Gomez for almost 2 years, until the fight with Zarate was held. I recently saw a documentery on Sanchez and in it, Gomez was put down, as though he were a member of the bum of the month club. This was much after the fact, years after Sal's death, yet they still refer to Gomez in bad terms. They overlook the fact that Gomez has been one of the few fighters, who goes to Mexico practically, if not, every year, to memoralize Sanchez. One thing is for sure, whenever you have a Puerto Rican facing a Mexican, there will be more than their records or titles at stake.

Both Mexico and Puerto Rico have produced great champions/fighters/hall of famers in the sport. Regardless of who has the edge in championships etc..they are both forces in boxing..and the best of PR vs the best of Mex could go either way..there is no clear cut winner here. Mexico has produced more and thats understandable becuase Mexico is larger and has a larger population than PR.

I'm Puerto Rican and I'll tell straight up I love both countries (had some great times in mexico). Boxing for us is a matter of pride for us as well as mexicans. They don't just represent themselves like Mayweather does (not bashing just stating a fact), they fight for their country, their legacy and finally for money. They fight knowing that the pride of their country is at stake and thats why Puerto Ricans and Mexicans have so many great champions. I could careless who has the most champions, what I do care about is that everytime one of ours or one of theirs steps in the ring, I'm gonna see a fight fought with heart, will and determination. Thats all I care about, if they guy isn't the most skilled boxer but can dominate because of his heart then I give him credit. i.e. Mayorga (I know he's not mexican) vs. Vernon Forest, Forest stylistically should have put Mayo in a coma but couldn't do it.

fucking great countries, however i do think mexico's best fighters were better than puerto rico's...but thats just my opinion.... its just something that were just going to go back and forth jeje trust me man if u go to da spanish boxing forums is like more than 5,000 post on a thread like this. mexico's best were on the lower weight classes puerto rico's best in all weight classes. like i said back and forth discussion it would never end.

fucking great countries, however i do think mexico's best fighters were better than puerto rico's...but thats just my opinion....

im sorry man but to those idiots who were dizzing pr's maybe iwatchboxing dosen't have alot of knowledge but i could shit on them about this topic i have the real list of championship fights between mexicans and pr's but hey this is an old ass thread no need to start flame not only that there should not be any fight about this. and what u mean ashamed of...maybe im not full boricua but trust me what pr has done in boxing is amazing especially having a total of 8 millions on the island and the states. PR have done more than enough to proved they are one of the best countries in boxing. same as mexico and u.s

Mexican fighters toe to toe,theres nothing better in sports period. P.R. has nothing to be ashamed of,in general they are a little dirtier and don't sustain the chin of stubborn aztec warriors.

at the beginning of this thread i saw alot of comments that piss me off but hey that nationality i only say that mexico and puerto rico are power house countries in boxing. I totally agree!

at the beginning of this thread i saw alot of comments that piss me off but hey that nationality i only say that mexico and puerto rico are power house countries in boxing.

Both countries have great fighters!:boxing:

Puerto Rico vs Mexico Some important notes, just like to add my 2 cents here, pasted from wikipedia and other sources Important chapters of Puerto Ricans vs. Mexicans in boxing * Benitez-Palomino o Benitez wins the world Welterweight title with a 15 round decision. * Camacho-Limon o Camacho conquers the world Jr. Lightweight title with a 5 round knockout * Camacho-Ramirez o Camacho conquers the world Lightweight title with a 12 round decision. * Chávez-Camacho o Chávez retains his world Jr. Welterweight title with a 12 round decision. * Chávez-Rosario o Chávez wins the world Lightweight title with an 11 round knockout * Cuevas-Espada o Cuevas beats Espada for the world Welterweight title, then successfully defends it three times against the same rival * de la Hoya-Camacho o de la Hoya beats Camacho by 12 round decision to retain the world welterweight title * Escobar-Casanova o Escobar becomes the first Puerto Rican world champion, winning the world Bantamweight title over Casanova by knockout in nine, in the first world title fight between a Puerto Rican and a Mexican * Escobar-Quintana o Escobar retains world Bantamweight title by knockout in round one. * Gómez-Pintor o Gómez retains the world Jr. Featherweight title with a 14 round knockout in what was described by Ring Magazine as the fight of the 80s at the Jr. Featherweight division * Gómez-Zarate o Gómez retains his world Jr. Featherweight title by knockout in round five * Ramirez-Rosario o In their first fight, Rosario conquers the vacant world Lightweight title with a 12 round decision. In their rematch, Ramirez wins the world title with a four round knockout * Sanchez-Gómez o Sanchez inflicts what many consider the greatest defeat in Puerto Rican boxing history, knocking Gómez out in eight rounds to retain the world Featherweight title * Trinidad-de la Hoya o Trinidad defeats de la Hoya by a 12 round decision to unify the world Welterweight title, in what many Puerto Ricans see as revenge for Gómez's loss at the hands of Sanchez * Trinidad-Vargas o Trinidad recovers from a knockdown and drops Vargas five times, unifying the world's Jr Middleweight title with a 12 round knockout Let me add that at one time Puerto Rico had 5 champions in 5 different weight categories: List of Boxing world champions from Puerto Rico This list is from wikipedia: * 1 Sixto Escobar(PR) 1934-06-06 Belts: 118 * 2 Carlos Ortiz(PR) 1959-06-12 Belts: 140 & 135 * 3 Jose Chegui Torres(PR) 1965-03-30 Belts: 175 * 4 Angel Espada(PR) 1975-06-28 Belts: 147 * 5 Alfredo Escalera(PR) 1975-07-05 Belts: 130 * 6 Samuel Serrano(PR) 1976-10-16 Belts: 130 * 7 Wilfredo Bénitez(PR) 1976-03-06 Belts: 140, 147 & 154 * 8 Esteban De Jesús(PR) 1976-05-08 Belts: 135 * 9 Wilfredo Gómez(PR) 1977-05-21 Belts: 122, 126 & 130 * 10 Julian Solís(PR) 1980-08-29 Belts: 118 * 11 Carlos De León(PR) 1980-11-25 Belts: 190 * 12 Ossie Ocasio(PR) 1982-02-13 Belts: 190 * 13 Juan LaPorte(PR) 1982-09-15 Belts: 126 * 14 Edwin Rosario(PR) 1983-05-01 Belts: 135 & 140 * 15 Héctor Camacho(PR) 1983-08-07 Belts: 130, 135 & 140 * 16 Mark Medal(PR) 1984-03-11 Belts: 154 * 17 Harry Arroyo(PR) 1984-04-15 Belts: 135 * 18 Víctor Callejas(PR) 1984-05-26 Belts: 122 * 19 Carlos Santos(PR) 1984-11-02 Belts: 154 * 20 Antonio Rivera(PR) 1986-08-30 Belts: 126 * 21 Wilfredo Vázquez(PR) 1987-10-04 Belts: 118, 122 & 126 * 22 José Cheíto Ruíz(PR) 1989-04-29 Belts: 115 * 23 John-John Molina(PR) 1989-04-29 Belts: 130 * 24 José De Jesús(PR) 1989-05-19 Belts: 108 * 25 Juan Nazario(PR) 1990-04-04 Belts: 135 * 26 Orlando Fernandez(PR) 1990-05-12 Belts: 122 * 27 Santos Cardona(PR) 1991-04-11 Belts: 147 & 154 * 28 Danny Garcia(PR) 1992-02-01 Belts: 160 * 29 Rafael Del Valle(PR) 1992-05-13 Belts: 118 * 30 Felix Camacho(PR) 1992-05-27 Belts: 122 * 31 Josue Camacho(PR) 1992-07-31 Belts: 108 * 32 Felix Trinidad(PR) 1993-06-19 Belts: 147, 154 & 160 * 33 Alex Sanchez(PR) 1993-12-22 Belts: 105 * 34 Jake Rodríguez(PR) 1994-02-13 Belts: 140 * 35 Daniel Jiménez(PR) 1993-06-09 Belts: 122 & 118 * 36 Sammy Fuentes(PR) 1994-11-07 Belts: 140 * 37 Angel Almena(PR) 1995-07-29 Belts: 115 & 112 * 38 Angel Manfredy(PR) 1995-11-18 Belts: 130 * 39 Frank Toledo(PR) 1996-06-09 Belts: 122 & 126 * 40 José A. Rivera(PR) 1997-04-25 Belts: 147 * 41 Lou del Valle(PR) 1997-09-20 Belts: 175 * 42 Eric Morel(PR) 1998-10-17 Belts: 115 * 43 Daniel Santos(PR) 2000-05-06 Belts: 147 & 154 * 44 Nelson Dieppa(PR) 2000-07-22 Belts: 108 * 45 John Ruiz(PR) 2001-03-03 Belts: Hvy * 46 Aléx Trujillo(PR) 2001-05-05 Belts: 135 & 140 * 47 Ángel Chacón(PR) 2002-10-27 Belts: 126 * 48 Ivan Calderón(PR) 2003-05-03 Belts: 105 % 108 * 49 Alejandro Siaca(PR) 2004-05-05 Belts: 168 * 50 Miguel Cotto(PR) 2004-09-11 Belts: 140 & 147 * 51 Luis Collazo(PR) Belts: 147 * 52 Kermit Cintron(PR) Belts: 147 quick note before looking at mexican's boxers: Puerto Rico is number 1 for boxers ratio wide. There are 215.3 white Americans. There are 40 million African Americans. There are 26.8 million Mexican Americans and 103 million Mexicans. Puerto Rican is an island about 3.8 million people and in the United States there are under 4 million Puerto Ricans. Propotion wise, Puerto Rican stands superior in being a powerhouse of talent. Those three other groups are well respected and have credibility, but Puerto Rican stands number one if you want to look at talent production. Category:Mexican World Champions From Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia Jump to: navigation, search World Champions who boxed out of Mexico Articles in category "Mexican World Champions" There are 106 articles in this category. A * Mauricio Aceves * Jose Antonio Aguirre * Romeo Anaya * Lupe Aquino * Jorge Arce * Rene Arredondo * Ricardo Arredondo * Antonio Avelar B * Marco Antonio Barrera * Cesar Bazan * Jose Becerra * Gabriel Bernal * Julio Cesar Borboa * Jose Luis Bueno * Victor Burgos * Isaac Bustos C * Yory Boy Campas * Miguel Canto * Edgar Cardenas * Chango Carmona * Cruz Carbajal * Chucho Castillo * Freddy Castillo * José Luis Castillo * Martin Castillo * Hugo Cazares * Jesús Chávez * Julio Cesar Chavez * Jesus Chong * Melchor Cob Castro * Pipino Cuevas D * Juan Diaz E * Guty Espadas * Guty Espadas, Jr. * Juan Jose Estrada F * Pedro Flores G * Alejandro Garcia * Isidro Garcia * Nestor Garza * Humberto Gonzalez * Alejandro Gonzalez * Carlos Gonzalez * Julio Gonzalez * Miguel Angel Gonzalez * Rodolfo Gonzalez * Jhonny Gonzalez H * Ivan Hernandez * Juan Herrera * Rafael Herrera J * Javier Jauregui * Alberto Jimenez L * Oscar Larios * Genaro Leon * Roberto Carlos Leyva * Rafael Limon * Human:8361 * Ricardo Lopez * Rodolfo Lopez M * Raul (Raton) Macias * Lupe Madera * Antonio Margarito * Juan Manuel Marquez * Rafael Marquez * Rodolfo Martinez * Manuel Medina * Juan Meza * Cristian Mijares * Fernando Montiel * Erik Morales * Diego Morales O * Ruben Olivares O cont. * Eric Ortiz P * Jorge Paez * Raul Perez * Isdro Perez * Lupe Pintor * Daniel Ponce de León Q * Jose Quirino R * Victor Rabanales * Jose Luis Ramirez * Gilberto Roman * Omar Niño Romero S * Lauro Salas * Vicente Saldivar * Orlando Salido * Ruben Sanchez Leon * Clemente Sanchez * Enrique Sanchez * Salvador Sanchez * Jose Armando Santa Cruz * Battling Shaw * Ulises Solis * Edgar Sosa * Cesar Soto T * Efren Torres * German Torres U * Amado Ursua V * Jorge Vaca * Gregorio Vargas * Israel Vazquez * Marcos Villasana Z * Alfonso Zamora * Daniel Zaragoza * Carlos Zarate * Julio Zarate * Juan Zurita US- 275 Million Mexico- 105 MIllion PR- 7 Million (half on the island, half in the US) total world champions Mexico 106 Puerto Rico 52 you be the judge

it doesn't matter where ur from. it dont matter if ur from the north pole wat matters is the fighters themselves. now the name of this thread should have been which country has produced better fighters. not if ur from mexico or PR determines how good of a fighter u are

(from nicaragua): ____ I have seen many fighter from PR that have been great...but usually and lately...what come from PR seems to be this breed of strong/hard hitting fighters....so they have power but lack heart or stamina sometimes and technique most often.So PR may deveope strong fighter but there not even close to the typs of fighters (with skills) the Mexico has produced,even now..with castillo...the tradition continues and will. So in general i think PR coomes ouyt with stronger (sometimes more exciting fighters) but the true skills of boxing,those you see in mexican fighters...what can i say,they have heart. But nothing can change the greats that PR has had in the past (the PR legends) the problem?PR has not had gret fighter like that in a while.Cintron,tito and cotto all lack something that past PR legends have had.

They say W Gomez had a rematch with Sal...??? :D And it didn't happen cause Sal died!! If I'm not mistaken Sal fought 3 more times after taking apart Gomez. How come he did not get an Immediate rematch??? I think is cause there was NO need for one!! Sal Kill he's @ss in the first one aand it would of been worst in a second bout!! By the way.... Azumah Nelson beat Wilfredo's @ss too!! Nelson is still around, How come Gomez didn't try to avenge that loss??? Is easy to say that Gomez would have beaten Sal in a rematch... :boxing: Saludos...! You didnt really have to explain it.I think it was obvious enough for people to understand that when u get get your ass handed to u to the point u have drop back down 4 pounds in order to dominate the weight class where as long as Sanchez was around u would not be considered great.

They say W Gomez had a rematch with Sal...??? :D And it didn't happen cause Sal died!! If I'm not mistaken Sal fought 3 more times after taking apart Gomez. How come he did not get an Immediate rematch??? I think is cause there was NO need for one!! Sal Kill he's @ss in the first one aand it would of been worst in a second bout!! By the way.... Azumah Nelson beat Wilfredo's @ss too!! Nelson is still around, How come Gomez didn't try to avenge that loss??? Is easy to say that Gomez would have beaten Sal in a rematch... :boxing: Saludos...!

Hey, that would be awesome to see all of Tito's knock outs! Can some one do DLH's? LOL... especially when he knocks down VARGAS! :) BTW, i don't want to start a thread on this, but can someone tell me how you can download these videos? What are torrents and seeding? What are the quality of these videos and stuff. Sorry just a little Technology challenged. THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Hopkins owned Trinidad... :dance:

Both countries should be proud of the amount of quality fighters that they have produce... :boxing: Now stop fighting and help me seed a video that I just uploaded with all of Trinidad's Ko's... :D does it have music?

By the way Hopkins did throw the PR flag to the ground and almost got killed in PR. If that had taken place with the Mex flag the reaction would have been the same. I think you can be a great fighter and create controversy without being disrespectful to other people. By the way you would never see a PR fighter being that disrespectful, as a matter of fact that is one of the reasons people in PR are not proud of a guy like el Macho Camacho, because of his arrogance and that is one of the reasons we idolize fighters like Cotto and Tito because they are humble.

Wow...this thread has given a lot of great boxing history. Regardless of what you think, its undeniable that these two countries lead the way over other non-US countries with thier contribution to boxing. I'm curious to see what the actual results in championship fights between these two countries was. It might not be the determining factor, but it would provide another measuring stick.